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dvda-sacd

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Hi everyone!

This is my first post. I thought it would be interesting to post my list of brands of SACD compatible players on this forum.

Accustic Arts - http://www.accusticarts.de
Accuphase - http://www.accuphase.com
Agile - http://www.audioagile.com
Arcam - http://www.arcam.co.uk
Audio Aéro - http://www.audioaero.com
Audionet - http://www.audionet.de
Ayre - http://www.ayre.com

BBK - http://www.gdbbk.com
Bel Canto - http://www.belcantodesign.com
Bladelius - http://www.bladelius.com

Cambridge Audio - http://www.cambridgeaudio.com
Cary - http://www.caryaudio.com
Cayin - http://www.cayin.com
Classé - http://www.classeaudio.com (*)
Conrad-Johnson - http://www.conrad-johnson.com
CyberHome - http://www.cyberhome.de

dCS - http://www.dcsltd.co.uk
Denon - http://www.denon.com

EAD - http://www.eadusa.com
Eclipse - http://www.eclipse-td.com
Electrocompaniet - http://www.electrocompaniet.no
EMM Labs - http://www.emmlabs.com

Goldmund - http://www.goldmund.com

Halcro - http://www.halcro.com
Harman Kardon - http://www.harmankardon.com

Immersive - http://www.immersiveinc.com
Integra - http://www.integrahometheater.com
Integra Research - http://www.integraresearch.com

JungSon - http://www.jungson.dk

Krell - http://www.krellonline.com

Lector - http://www.docet-lector.com
Lexicon - http://www.lexicon.com
Lindemann - http://www.lindemann-audiotechnik.de
Linn - http://www.linn.co.uk
Luxman - http://www.luxman.co.jp

Marantz - http://www.marantz.com
MBL - http://www.mbl-germany.de
McCormack - http://mccormackaudio.com
McIntosh - http://www.mcintoshlabs.com
Micromega - http://www.micromega.co.uk
Mitsubishi - http://www.mitsubishi-tv.com
Moon - http://www.simaudio.com
MSB Technology - http://www.msbtech.com
Muse - http://www.museelectronics.com
Music Hall - http://www.musichallaudio.com
Musical Fidelity - http://www.musicalfidelity.com

NAD - http://www.nadelectronics.com

Onkyo - http://www.onkyo.net
Oppo - http://www.oppodigital.com

Parasound - http://www.parasound.com
Philips - http://www.philips.com
Pioneer - http://www.pioneer.es
Primare - http://www.primaresystems.com

Samsung - http://www.samsung.com
Scitec - http://www.scitec.jp
Shanling - http://www.shanling.com
Sharp - http://sharp-world.com
Sherwood Newcastle - http://www.sherwoodusa.com
Sigmatek - http://www.sigmatekcomputer.com
Sony - http://www.sony.net

T + A - http://www.taelektroakustik.de
TAW - http://www.taw.biz
Teac - http://www.teac.de
Theta - http://www.thetadigital.com
Toshiba - http://www.toshiba.com
Townshend - http://www.townshendaudio.com

Wadia - http://www.wadia.com
Woxter - http://www.woxter.com

Yamaha - http://www.yamaha.com
YBA - http://www.yba.fr


(*) Ex-SACD supporter


Regards,
Leonardo
 
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dvda-sacd said:
Nowadays, I suppose all the DVD players can decode Dolby Digital and DTS.
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I am not aware of any less than $200 upscaling universal DVD player that decodes DTS. I can name several that don't including the recently released Oppo DV970HD, Samsung DVD950/941/841 and a couple of Toshiba models. If you don't want upscaling, most of the less than $200 standard DVD players, such as the Pioneer DV588A do. Most of the more expensive DVD players with SACD capability decode DTS as well.

Chris
 
Chris Gerhard said:
I am not aware of any less than $200 upscaling universal DVD player that decodes DTS. I can name several that don't including the recently released Oppo DV970HD, Samsung DVD950/941/841 and a couple of Toshiba models. If you don't want upscaling, most of the less than $200 standard DVD players, such as the Pioneer DV588A do. Most of the more expensive DVD players with SACD capability decode DTS as well.

Chris
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The Oppo DV970HD decodes DTS. Very well indeed. I am listening to DTS via the 6 analog as I write this.
 
Guy Robinson said:
The Oppo DV970HD decodes DTS. Very well indeed. I am listening to DTS via the 6 analog as I write this.
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Interesting, I quit considering the DV970HD and early reports indicated it did not decode DTS and the Oppo website I visited shows under audio:

Optimized Audio Features:

Optimized analog audio circuitry for great audio quality
Built-in Dolby Digital decoder with individual 5.1ch and down-mixed stereo outputs
Optical and coaxial digital audio outputs for Dolby Digital, DTS and Linear PCM
Unique "Audio Only" mode with video processing turned off for perfect acoustic fidelity
3D Surround (Virtual Surround): Concert, Live, Dance, Techno, Classic, Soft
Built-in equalizer, channel trim and channel delay functions


It only mentions Dolby Digital decoding and passing DTS through the digital output. The Oppo site today still list the DTS logo for digital out, not decoding. Look at the bottom of the specifications page.

http://www.oppodigital.com/dv970hd/dv970hd.html

In any event, good to hear it does. I own the Samsung 841/941/950 players which don't. That makes the DV970HD the only less than $200 upscaling player I have seen confirmation does decode DTS. Oppo makes great players for the price and offers great customer service and you might send an email and see if you can get the information posted on their site.

Chris
 
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I just checked and couldn't find any information online indicating the DV970HD does decode DTS. I guess you never know until you get something in your hand, but DTS has usually seen to it the companies licensing their technology use the proper logo. The correct logo should be DTS Digital Surround, not DTS Digital Out. Here is the DTS site that shows the appropriate logos to use:

http://www.dts.com/consumer/technology/at-a-glance.php

I would send a message to Oppo but don't have first hand knowledge of the mistake which is prevalent all over the net and I also have seen a list of the DTS equipped players that I thought came from DTS directly showing the player to pass DTS but not decode it. I can't find that on the DTS site this morning. Oppo does correctly show the DV971H to decode DTS.

Chris
 
Chris,
All I can say is that I was playing the Video side of some AIX discs and I was clearly selecting DTS and when I pushed the audio button on the remote while it was playing it was showing DTS a well. I was playing via the 6 analog outs at the time. Unless it is doing some conversion of DTS to something else (which is probably more complicated than actually decoding it) there was surround being output. I will check with their website and the dealer that I bought it from to see what is up.
 
Guy Robinson said:
Chris,
All I can say is that I was playing the Video side of some AIX discs and I was clearly selecting DTS and when I pushed the audio button on the remote while it was playing it was showing DTS a well. I was playing via the 6 analog outs at the time. Unless it is doing some conversion of DTS to something else (which is probably more complicated than actually decoding it) there was surround being output. I will check with their website and the dealer that I bought it from to see what is up.
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That is the test I used for checking my Samsung DVD-HD950 for DTS decoding the first day I got it. Just selected DTS from the disc menu, and DTS settings under player setup. Listened to the analog output, silence, switched to the digital input on my receiver and the DTS logo lit up and it decoded the DTS audio. The Samsung player even has a message on the screen that analog audio is not supported when I select DTS. Since Oppo clearly indicates on their site the DV971H decodes DTS, I just assumed the DV970HD without such indication did not. I learn something new everyday, usually it is something I didn't understand about women and by the time I am 100, I will understand all I need to know about women. It looks like I can understand all I need to know about the DV970HD before I turn 55.

Chris
 
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I'm making a black list of the brands of CD/DVD players which haven't ever supported SACD or don't support SACD anymore.


Atoll - http://www.atoll-electronique.com
Audio Research - http://www.audioresearch.com
Audiolab - http://www.audiolab.co.uk

Bang & Olufsen - http://www.bang-olufsen.com

Classé - http://www.classeaudio.com (*)
Copland - http://www.copland.dk
Creek - http://www.creekaudio.co.uk
Cyrus - http://www.cyrusaudio.com

Grundig - http://www.grundig.com

JVC - http://www.jvc.com

Kenwood - http://www.kenwood.com

LG - http://www.lge.com

Meridian - http://www.meridian-audio.com

Naim - http://www.naim-audio.com

Panasonic - http://panasonic.net

Rotel - http://www.rotel.com

Sanyo - http://www.sanyo.com

TAG McLaren - http://www.iaguk.co.uk/tag/
Thomson - http://www.thomson.net

Unison Research - http://www.unisonresearch.com


(*) Ex-SACD supporter


To be continued...

Cheers!
 
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I have both formats. I for one was extremly dissapointed with sacd, as oppsed to dvd-a. WHY? Well, it's simple. If you as I have a REAL sacd player, that has DSD chip in it, (unlike the Oppo) that DOES NOT!, I found the sound to be very thin, missing, and shrill. I have heard parts of music that caused listener fatiuge, and it seems the only single item they do have is, titles! I also have a REAL dvd-a player with a REAL MLP chip. The diff. is day/nite.
Back to the Oppo, that I have, It does not contain either MLP/DSD chips. But will "play" either disc. I do notice sacd sounds better on the Oppo. ( This may be why they are so popular? I also have seen articals regarding sacd that I cannot grasp what is being said, and that freqs. are removed and replaced. Upon asking I get a "run around" answer. and am told if u like it and it sounds ok, then it must be good. So, this is my response and my opinion.
 
leevitalone1 said:
I have both formats. I for one was extremly dissapointed with sacd, as oppsed to dvd-a. WHY? Well, it's simple. If you as I have a REAL sacd player, that has DSD chip in it, (unlike the Oppo) that DOES NOT!, I found the sound to be very thin, missing, and shrill. I have heard parts of music that caused listener fatiuge, and it seems the only single item they do have is, titles! I also have a REAL dvd-a player with a REAL MLP chip. The diff. is day/nite.
Back to the Oppo, that I have, It does not contain either MLP/DSD chips. But will "play" either disc. I do notice sacd sounds better on the Oppo. ( This may be why they are so popular? I also have seen articals regarding sacd that I cannot grasp what is being said, and that freqs. are removed and replaced. Upon asking I get a "run around" answer. and am told if u like it and it sounds ok, then it must be good. So, this is my response and my opinion.
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I am not sure I completely understand your point of view, but I agree the Oppo player sounds fine with SACD. The DSD>PCM>analog string of conversions can't be optimal, but I think the difference among the budget players that do pure DSD compared to this Oppo that doesn't, I am going to bet we would all be hard pressed to tell which is which.

Other factors must be more important. With a player using an expensive high quality DAC and pure DSD>analog or pure DSD over HDMI 1.2a, that is likely where avoiding DSD>PCM provides some audible improvement.

Chris
 
Those McIntosh monoblock power amps and speakers look impresive. I don't even want to know what they must cost. Just think if you got five sets for surround! :mad:@:
 
DennisMabry said:
Those McIntosh monoblock power amps and speakers look impresive. I don't even want to know what they must cost. Just think if you got five sets for surround! :mad:@:
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I was thinking the same thing. I haven't ever owned McIntosh and always just assumed it was mostly hype, although I don't doubt the company offers some fine audio equipment.

Chris
 
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