One last DSOTM thought.............

JonUrban · Mar 29, 2003

Debating the DSOTM mix vs mix can go on forever. We all know that there are now 3 versions of the surround DSOTM.

1) The 1970's "Matrix" mix, created by Alan Parsons and used for all global versions of the SQ LP and the US Quad 8 Track.

2) The 1970's "Discrete" mix, created by Alan Parsons and used only for the UK Quadraphonic 8 Track tape.

3) The 2003 SACD 5.1 mix, created by James Guthrie

It has been stated that "the group" was never happy with the original quadraphonic 1970's mix, and that was why they were "happy" to have James remix the thing for 5.1.

My question is this - Could it be possible that they were refering to the "Matrix" version?? I wonder if the ever heard, or remember hearing, the "Discrete" 1970's version?

If not, then that would be a good reason not to like the old mix.

Trust me, I am glad to have a new, Hi-Rez SACD, but I also would have loved to hear the AP Discrete mix in Hi-Rez.

I still fail to understand why the "Matrix" mix was ever created or used, esp for the US Quad 8 Track.

:-jon

AllAroundSurround · Mar 29, 2003

Hey Jon! I tried to sync up the DSD and The AP center and sub , the dsd is just a tad bit faster than the AP versioin and goes out of sync after a bout 15 seconds. It can be done with a lot of splicing but noyt something I want to mess with at this point with all the other stuff I have going at the moment Such as the the dvd-v thing , but will get to it sooner or later. The start is way off also and the gap between GIG and Money is different and this will have to be cut all over the place but in the end It should make for One Hell of a Frankinstien Dark Side with all the surround effects as they were !
Rob

Cai Campbell · Mar 30, 2003

Jon, are you certain there was a special mix for the SQ release? I think that the SQ mix is identical to the discrete mix (the only difference being it was pumped through an SQ encoder). The SQ encoding certainly makes it a unique mix, but only because of the SQ mangling, er, I mean encoding process.

Anyway, if people are "remembering" the SQ version, depending on what crappy SQ decoder was employed, then I could see why people may not have fond remembrances of it.

Marcsten · Mar 30, 2003

I'm sure this is heresy, but the english sq mix is the one I play. I don't have dts for various reasons - lossy, more equipment, etc. so the version I play is the english sq. I am willing to give away some 'discreteness' in exchange for the wonderful warm sound of an english album that is unmatched even by a stock cd, much less a dts one. As I play it through a tate (usually) its 'discrete enough' when balanced with the loss of fidelity suffered by the dts process.
Marc

sqdave1975 · Mar 30, 2003

Have to agree with Marc, the UK SQ LP may not rivall the UK Q8 tape/DTS CD but when played though my "AA" grade Tate II the sound is remarkable. Warm and detailed, and possibly the best LP for showing off the capabilities of the Fosgate units, IMHO.

This text, taken from the "Four Sides Of The Moon" article should lay to rest the theory of there being multiple '70s mixes of DSOTM...............

"It was eventually decided to work with one discrete four track tape and monitor it in such a way that assured a reasonable result for both systems [Q8 and SQ], in other words bearing in mind the compromises in the subsequent two-channel processing. The quad remix room at EMI’s Abbey Road Studios has the convenient facility to monitor a discrete tape passed through a back-to-back SQ encode/decode arrangement, and also the stereo result direct from the two matrix channels without decoding. Thus, we can monitor discrete, SQ and stereo from just one four track tape. An SQ master was to be prepared simply by making a copy of the final edited and crusaded four track tape through the SQ encoder."

Dave.

AllAroundSurround · Mar 30, 2003

That being said has anyonre tried taking the US q8 and doing a remix back to stereo and then playing it back through a TATE ll and see what happens ! Might be an interesting experiment! Currious as to how it would sound!
Rob

JonUrban · Mar 31, 2003

Cai,

I stand corrected. Whne I read the 4 sides of the moon article a while back, i remembered reading this line:

<em>
It was thought that two separate remixes would be the ideal situation, for in that case each system could be used o its fullest capabilities without compromise on account of the other. </em>

However, later in the article, it states they agreed on a single mix. However, even the best SQ decoder would not be able to reproduce the discrete tape. That was a failing of SQ (another whole issue all together).

For those new to our group, here is the link to the FOUR SIDES OF THE MOON piece. It is a facinating read!

www.stereosociety.com/FourSides.html

:-jon

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