Commercial Matrix Quadraphonic Cassettes?

[Owen Smith]

We've been doing some quad cassettes lately. Wow & Flutter just did a nice article interview around it introducing the idea to cassette enthusiasts.

The thought that there are cassette enthusiasts today baffles me. I used cassettes back in the day because it was what we had for recording things, usually off FM stereo radio for me (I still have my Status Quo and Queen tape from Live Aid). But we can do so much better today for considerably lower cost, and don't record as much (almost never) anyway. I understand collecting vintage LPs, there are plenty of things that have never been released on any better format and you get the artwork etc. But cassette? There was never anything released only on cassette and the other formats (LP or 12" single or CD) have better audio quality. On top of that you can't even buy new chrome or metal tape as the nasty chemicals needed to make them have been banned, so you're restricted to second hand tapes or ferric tapes from niche manufacturers.

 

[jaybird100]

We've been doing some quad cassettes lately. Wow & Flutter just did a nice article interview around it introducing the idea to cassette enthusiasts.

The biggest problem there is whether the heads on both the machine that makes the cassette, and the ones that play the cassette, are properly lined up. If not, there can be some serious compromises in the decoding of the tape, in addition to audio quality. How do you plan to overcome that? You also don't mention which matrix you plan to use. SQ was terrible for cassettes. QS was better, but if head azimuth is off, between the recorder and the player, there will still be problems.

 

[kamranv]

The biggest problem there is whether the heads on both the machine that makes the cassette, and the ones that play the cassette, are properly lined up. If not, there can be some serious compromises in the decoding of the tape, in addition to audio quality. How do you plan to overcome that? You also don't mention which matrix you plan to use. SQ was terrible for cassettes. QS was better, but if head azimuth is off, between the recorder and the player, there will still be problems.

We simply do our best and it works pretty good. The machines are all serviced by the service center that was right next to where TEAC was, here in LA. They've been doing it forever. With that said, and to @Owen Smith's point, the fidelity is higher via other formats... but this isn't the point. The point is that this is fun . Tapes are such a beautiful artifacts and in this case of a of a unique performance. The tape hiss makes me feel good (shows my age) and it's surprising how well the matrix encoding works on playback. Of course, by no means perfect.

If any of you are in LA tonight, you can come to a recording of a new one tonight. Here is the RSVP. Get there early to get a seat. PS: Like most of my records, I'd be happy to send Wav files to you, if there is interest and if you like the work, I trust you'll listen to it on places that we can earn a living and/or buy a tape, if that suits you.

 

[par4ken]

The thought that there are cassette enthusiasts today baffles me. I used cassettes back in the day because it was what we had for recording things, usually off FM stereo radio for me (I still have my Status Quo and Queen tape from Live Aid). But we can do so much better today for considerably lower cost, and don't record as much (almost never) anyway. I understand collecting vintage LPs, there are plenty of things that have never been released on any better format and you get the artwork etc. But cassette? There was never anything released only on cassette and the other formats (LP or 12" single or CD) have better audio quality. On top of that you can't even buy new chrome or metal tape as the nasty chemicals needed to make them have been banned, so you're restricted to second hand tapes or ferric tapes from niche manufacturers.

I agree there is little reason to use cassettes today for any reason. While I still have several cassette decks in my collection I seldom use them anymore. I'm sure that cassettes invoke nostalgia in some people just like 8-tracks do in others, as kamranv says it's fun!

Only standard low noise tapes being available anymore, I would have thought that because of low demand for the more exotic formulations. It never crossed my mind to be because of toxic chemicals! My favourite tape was Ferri-Chrome which hasn't been available since the late seventies!

What I never understood was how the cassette (pre-recorded cassettes) ever became more popular than records. Tapes made on even mediocre equipment by individuals far exceeded the fidelity of most of those mass produced high speed dubbed pre-recorded ones! It just goes to show that the general public dosen't care about sound quality!

 

[Owen Smith]

just like 8-tracks do in others

There's a point to Q8, for some material it's the only source of the quad mix in discrete form. There's no point to cassette other than nostalgia. I still have both a cassette deck and an S-VHS deck. The cassette deck is boxed up and in the loft and probably hasn't been used for more than 20 years. The S-VHS deck is still in my rack and gets used about once or twice a year, either to record a radio broadcast on a channel with rubbish listen again quality, or to watch an old tape that I haven't deemed worthwhile enough to digitise.

 

[Sonik Wiz]

I agree there is little reason to use cassettes today for any reason. While I still have several cassette decks in my collection I seldom use them anymore. I'm sure that cassettes invoke nostalgia in some people just like 8-tracks do in others, as kamranv says it's fun!

Only standard low noise tapes being available anymore, I would have thought that because of low demand for the more exotic formulations. It never crossed my mind to be because of toxic chemicals! My favourite tape was Ferri-Chrome which hasn't been available since the late seventies!

What I never understood was how the cassette (pre-recorded cassettes) ever became more popular than records. Tapes made on even mediocre equipment by individuals far exceeded the fidelity of most of those mass produced high speed dubbed pre-recorded ones! It just goes to show that the general public dosen't care about sound quality!

Back in '72 when your choice was cassette or 8 track after market installation in a car I chose 8 track, plain 'ol stereo. Knowing full well the limitations of that format I still felt the higher tape speed gave a more extended treble than cassette. In another car I did get a cassette deck with the idea of putting my favorite LP's an tape for the car. But this dubbing is done real time which I soon grew impatient with. I probably never copied more that 30 or so albums. The pre-recorded ones just sounded so awful I really didn't spend much money on them.

I'll point out the early production run of Fosgate Tate 101A came with an SQ test & demo cassette. I know because it's mentioned in the owners manual. It was not included with my purchase, presumably discontinued because of poor performance from the cassette in SQ.