How stupid is ebay now ?

[ChristopherLees]

well if ever a successful business is trying to destroy itself...Ebay is certainly trying..

1) forcing everyone in ebay australia to do all trades by paypal only in June..
2) stopping sellers from giving buyers negative feedback.

But now there is a new one...feedback of a member...

As an example , just check out my feedback in these three links and see if it makes sense to you
at all..

here is one of my auctions as seen in the USA feedback 99.5%

http://cgi.ebay.com/JOSEPH-GRADO-SI...oryZ3283QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

now see it on the Australian site 99.2% !!..how they calculate that i have no idea, as i basically haven't been that low in years..

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI...d=m37&satitle=150245404987++&category0=&fvi=1


now see my feedback rating in australia as an average of the last 12 months
99.3% !!

http://feedback.ebay.com.au/ws/eBay...sspagename=VIP:feedback:2:au&iid=150245404987

Is that not the most confusing stupid feedback system of all time ?

and ebay will presently do this for any seller anywhere in the world !!

 

[Lucanu]

fortunately not in Italy, you have 99.5% positive feedback
BTW, you have a guy named Massimo interested (it's not me anyway)

 

[ChristopherLees]

fortunately not in Italy, you have 99.5% positive feedback
BTW, you have a guy named Massimo interested (it's not me anyway)

Yes, In Australia they are trying all sorts of new things, which if successful, they will try to implement everywhere else.....
their other luny idea (which they are only thinking about )
is to use paypal as an escrow service, and potentially hold the sellers money for 21 days after they have sent the goods, releasing it when the buyer gives positive feedback.

Funny thing is , that 12 hours ago , it was 99.3% where it now says 99.2% and no one has added feedback in that time, so i have no idea what they are calculating, and there is no explanation about it..

I do get lots of questions from Italian buyers on ebay.

 

[Lucanu]

I don't know why they're messing with feedbacks and paypal. Is Australia "verified" for paypal?
Maybe that could be why they're trying to change rules to sellers/buyers
Italy is not verified for International eBay business right now, but I have to check it out.

I do get lots of questions from Italian buyers on ebay.

BTW, I have an uncle who lives and works in Queensland with his scotland wife

 

[ChristopherLees]

BTW, I have an uncle who lives and works in Queensland with his scotland wife

it's nice up there..i'm down south in victoria

now for more ebay stupidity look at this other ebay member

651 positives and 18 negatives for 100% feedback in the USA !!

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...hsvyv6&&ftab=FeedbackAsBuyer&iid=370024794602

and in Australia using only one neutral in the last 12 months to go against the member it's 99.3% feedback !!

http://feedback.ebay.com.au/ws/eBay...hsvyv6&&ftab=FeedbackAsBuyer&iid=370024794602

the whole feedback system has just gone insane with no full explanation ..

 

[Lucanu]

well, at this point I would trust Australian eBay for feedback, at least it says (about) the truth...
But that's quite confusing

 

[Chris Gerhard]

Yes, In Australia they are trying all sorts of new things, which if successful, they will try to implement everywhere else.....
their other luny idea (which they are only thinking about )
is to use paypal as an escrow service, and potentially hold the sellers money for 21 days after they have sent the goods, releasing it when the buyer gives positive feedback.

Funny thing is , that 12 hours ago , it was 99.3% where it now says 99.2% and no one has added feedback in that time, so i have no idea what they are calculating, and there is no explanation about it..

I do get lots of questions from Italian buyers on ebay.

The 12 hours difference makes sense if it is only the last 365 days used for the calculation. It will change each day theoretically unless you get to a point where you have 365 days without a single negative or neutral, then it will click up to 100% and stay there until you get one. Only using the last year is stupid, if that is how Australia is going to do it. Somehow, I think maybe it is a mistake, but I don't know.

So in other words right now you have (298 positive)/(298 Positive + 1 Negative + 1 Neutral). By tomorrow you could have (295 Positive)/(295 Positive + 1 Negative + 1 Neutral) or something similar. It is even possible the negative and neutral drop off, become more than 365 days old and you click up to 100%.

Bottom line, eBay will work through this eventually, the stupid PayPal only rule will not be adopted worldwide, there are too many potential users that won't deal with PayPal. At least that is what my crystal ball indicates.

Chris

 

[JonUrban]

I hate what has become of eBay. It was a lot of fun 10 years ago. Remember their battles with PayPal? The logo's were too big, they were in the wrong place, etc etc. Then they went and bought them. Now they're insisting on PayPal.

And the deal with the feedback. UGH!

 

[Led9]

I do agree with 2) Buyers who are disatisfied to some extent are reluctant to give a negative or neutral because of retaliation from the seller. This way buyers can be more honest in their rating without fear of the seller leaving them a negative just to be vindictive. The real problem is with Paypal's policies with chargebacks for items supposedly not delivered. I sold an $100 Lp to a guy in Holland and he claimed he never got it. I figured I had myself covered with proof of shipping. I figured wrong! He contested it with Paypal and after months of agrueing with Paypal they pulled the $100 plus my shipping cost out of my account and refunded him. Paypal says I have to prove delivery right to the guy's door. They even traced it into Holland but that wasn't good enough. They said it must be shipped registered or by Express to prove delivery which raises the cost from the U.S. from about $12 to over $30. I don't know too many Lp buyers who want to pay $30 to have an LP shipped. Paypal does not care if you list in your auction that the buyer is responsible after it is shipped because paypal policy trumps your own business policy. I argued that in that case anybody can receive an item and claim they didn't get it and get their money back. Their resonse: " Yeh, that's the way it is"! Unbelievable!

Rick

 

[Chris Gerhard]

I do agree with 2) Buyers who are disatisfied to some extent are reluctant to give a negative or neutral because of retaliation from the seller. This way buyers can be more honest in their rating without fear of the seller leaving them a negative just to be vindictive. The real problem is with Paypal's policies with chargebacks for items supposedly not delivered. I sold an $100 Lp to a guy in Holland and he claimed he never got it. I figured I had myself covered with proof of shipping. I figured wrong! He contested it with Paypal and after months of agrueing with Paypal they pulled the $100 plus my shipping cost out of my account and refunded him. Paypal says I have to prove delivery right to the guy's door. They even traced it into Holland but that wasn't good enough. They said it must be shipped registered or by Express to prove delivery which raises the cost from the U.S. from about $12 to over $30. I don't know too many Lp buyers who want to pay $30 to have an LP shipped. Paypal does not care if you list in your auction that the buyer is responsible after it is shipped because paypal policy trumps your own business policy. I argued that in that case anybody can receive an item and claim they didn't get it and get their money back. Their resonse: " Yeh, that's the way it is"! Unbelievable!

Rick

That is exactly the scenario I am concerned about and why the seller needs to be able to leave negative feedback for the buyer. The assumption that there are more crooked sellers than buyers on eBay is absolutely false, I am convinced of that. I have a sale to Ireland now where the buyer declined to purchase the insurance I offered. If PayPal refunds the purchase price, I am done with PayPal and likely done with eBay. My proof of shipment and proof the buyer declined insurance is all that should be needed to show that the risk the delivery service agreed to by buyer is at buyer's risk.

Of course I don't believe the buyer in the case of your auction and believe whatever service used delivered the item and the buyer is a crook, but that doesn't matter, buyer was given adequate information to determine if the risk is worth it. Once seller ships according to the auction terms, there is nothing left for seller to do, he has fulfilled his part.

Chris

 

[JonUrban]

It's no wonder that people do not want to sell to "overseas" buyers.

I would agree that there are far more crooked buyers than sellers. No doubt about it, all of the responsibility falls on the seller. This makes it a bad experience and cuts down on the amount of sales they can expect to process. Just plain stupid.

 

[roundhousequad]

This is a hard one to do I'm in the middle of one now e power biggs quadraphonic in the header several bidders I won it for 16 something it arrived and it as a stereo version, in big words if not as disrcibed its free or I will pay to have it shipped back . al I have gotten was bs from Her no offer to make it good so I filed a not as discribed with paypal

and of cores like my last one whom sent wrong midrange for my speakers and a bad woofer that had been worked on I got bad feed back even with me paying both within mins of the end of the action I got the junk and wrong stuff and still a neg the other neg I have I'm vary proud of the guy got kicked off paypal and ebay and investigated by the post office for postal insurance frod I even neg him with postal insurance frod his legal guy contacted me and tried to ruff em up but when I told him that if i partisipated in the postal frod I can say that if I wanted he dropped it.
I'm begining to stay off ebay except for tapes and records. its just a hobby and it has began to be no fun.

 

[ChristopherLees]

Well now it's 99.3% in the USA and everywhere else...

and now my total feedback has gone up over 260 to 3216 in one night !! it now seems to include repeat feedback in the positives..after all I was about 2952 last night and i've received only a couple of feedbacks since

 

[Chris Gerhard]

Now eBay in the US has changed to this feedback rating method to the same as you have. Now a neutral counts exactly the same as a negative. I had the USPS service break two jewel cases over the holidays, I guess with the abundance of packages piled on on top, and both buyers left neutral feedback. I have no negatives and two neutrals, pretty drastic changes by eBay.

Chris

 

[JonUrban]

My feedback went up by over 200 as well! Wow!

 

[ChristopherLees]

So how long before they and try and make paypal the only payment method everywhere...if they get their foot in the door here in Australia next month.

 

[dr. simple]

O.K., it's not nearly as big a jump as yours, but mine just jumped from 92 to 100. Yeah! A new color for my star! I feel so special.

 

[mtgc]

I think EBay has really gone over the edge now.

MTGC (Michael)

 

[roundhousequad]

Ya here is another good one with this new system
I guy sent me the wrong mid worth about half what he should have sent then also sent a bad woofer that had been worked on my kids could tell it was bad. called him he said I don't know you from adam hung up on be three times said ship them back and I will refund your money not the shipping I'm out 40 in shipping because he screwed up then tries to buy a pos for 20 only if i give him the pos first I left him neg and said keep your twenty you can't buy pos feedback.
that was some time ago now with this new system he just sent this email

(if we both cancelled our negative feedbacks for each other, you would have 100% positive feedback rating. and i would also look better. i offered you a full refund if you returned the ar drivers. you refused. you said you could sell the ar5 midrange at market price. would you like to withdraw your neg? its up to you. )
now thats a joke he screwed up and can't except it
*bay sucks now days

 

[ChristopherLees]

If you can bothered spending about $30 USD every time, you can eliminate old negative feedback through the square trade system...whether or not the other party agrees..