I just love listening to an album that says "2015 Version" with the tracks appended with "(Mono)" but they are actually in Dolby Atmos. Gotta love Apple.
Listening to Mono via Dolby Atmos
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I just love listening to an album that says "2015 Version" with the tracks appended with "(Mono)" but they are actually in Dolby Atmos. Gotta love Apple.
My thoughts exactly.
Plus you can't find it on Tidal ATM.
Edit: It's on! https://tidal.com/album/218318853
https://tidal.com/album/218257588 (SP)
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Cheezmo, I’m confused. the info says that this is a new Giles Martin ATMOS mix of this group of songs. Is that not the case?
I have the 1+ compilation of a few years ago on disc in 5.1 surround
Ummm, you can have a mono track which is mixed to Atmos. They’re not mutually exclusive. It’s no different that a mono CD (which by definition is 2 channel).
And for what it’s worth, no true twin-track tapes exist for Love Me Do and She Loves You, so unless you use some sort of extraction technology (which isn’t really there yet to make a 100% convincing stereo/surround mock-up)...“mono” atmos it is.
However, just listening now, From Me To You is clearly not mono as listed. Nor was it on the stereo version IIRC.
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Has there ever been a mono track released in Atmos? At this point I think they are mutually exclusive for all intents and purposes.
Mono CDs must be "stereo" because of the format limitations.
It is a new atmos mix. But only the 1 album, not the 1+ videos tracks.
And as I wrote above, there is no reason a mono track can’t have an atmos mix - albeit with what sounds like - ay quick listen - the same mono track spread about among the different speakers at differing levels.
Yes, mono CDs must be stereo because of format limitations. That was my point. It’s the same with Atmos.
I don’t know of any other mono “atmos” mixes right off hand, but I assume we’ll see more in the future. Again, practically, what’s the difference between making at atmos (or 5.1 for that matter) mix from a 3 track multi - like a bunch of jazz titles - and a 1 track “multi”? Neither can take “full” advantage of atmos capability, but that doesn’t mean they’re not legitimate. They are what they are.
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You are misunderstanding my complaint. It is the fact that Apple "layers" the Atmos mixes on the same releases as the stereo/mono mixes.
You shouldn't play an album that has "(2015 version)" (a time that Atmos mixes do not exist) that says "(Mono)" after the track name and here Dolby Atmos mixes.
There should be a separate releases for Atmos versions, instead of just suddenly the mono mix you've been listening for 7 years turning into Atmos.
But it’s still effectively mono. It’s been common to note mono titles on stereo albums as “mono” for well over 50 years. What is the difference between listing a mono title as mono on a stereo LP and a mono title as mono on a Dolby Atmos stream?
I guarantee you if they didn’t, they’d get complaints because the “yeah, yeah, yeah’s“ and “woo’s“ on She Loves You weren’t coming from above or behind them.
But listing “From Me To You” as mono puts me on tilt...
First world problems...
But it’s still effectively mono. It’s been common to note mono titles on stereo albums as “mono” for well over 50 years. What is the difference between listing a mono title as mono on a stereo LP and a mono title as mono on a Dolby Atmos stream?
I guarantee you if they didn’t, they’d get complaints because the “yeah, yeah, yeah’s“ and “woo’s“ on She Loves You weren’t coming from above or behind them.
But listing “From Me To You” as mono puts me on tilt...
First world problems...
I just listened to "She Loves You (Mono)" and the rear speakers are active. So what are you talking about? They created a Dolby Atmos mix and that is what you get when you play "She Loves You (Mono)".
I could just as equally complain that all the "2015 Stereo Mix" tracks also play back in Atmos now.
I said “effectively” mono. If you’re not putting your head in the rear speakers - or the center speaker for that matter - it is ALL centered just like mono recording when listening from a normal position.
When you play a mono title on a stereo record, it’s technically stereo (not only are both channels used but the channels are not exactly the same. Even if the tape was played back on a mono deck and cut with a mono lathe. Hell, most mono CDs aren’t actually true mono (tech specs aside) because the tapes weren’t played back on a mono deck. And how many people listen to mono with just one speaker as it should technically?
But it’s called mono because it’s effectively mono.
How is that any different than digitally putting the same mono signal in the rears at a lower volume? Call it “all channel“ mono if you like - or Atmos mono - but no matter how you slice it is still effectively mono.
And the other thing you (and me too until now) are forgetting is the Atmos market is just a fraction of the streams. The mono tracks are still listed as mono and the stereo tracks as stereo remixes because that‘s what the vast majority are listening to and hearing.
On that note, maybe From Me To You is mono on the non-spatial audio version?
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This mono argument is hurting my head.
As I understand it, ATMOS music is a surround experience augmented with the ability to place musical objects anyplace around you, as well as above you. If the source recordings are a single mono track, you aren’t going to be able to place individual musical elements, like harmony vocals, in the rears. However, the mixer can give you the sound of the band in a “virtual room” that has spatial characteristics that are around you and above you in character.
As I understand it, ATMOS music is a surround experience augmented with the ability to place musical objects anyplace around you, as well as above you. If the source recordings are a single mono track, you aren’t going to be able to place individual musical elements, like harmony vocals, in the rears. However, the mixer can give you the sound of the band in a “virtual room” that has spatial characteristics that are around you and above you in character.
I mean if it is mono and you want to wrap it in an Atmos container, all the sound should come out of the front center speaker.
Also, if you carry marcb's argument to the tracks listed as "(2015 stereo mix)" which obviously HAVE been replaced with new Dolby Atmos mixes, they would all just be some "doubled stereo" implementation which they clearly are not.
In any event this is all off topic of what my original post was about which is Apple serving new Dolby Atmos mixes on top of existing releases with names like (2015 version), "(2015 stereo mix)", "(mono)", etc. What you get depends on system capability and settings. In my opinion they are separate releases. There should be a "1 (2015 Version)" that has the mixes as they were released on the 2015 Version and a new "2022 Version" or "Dolby Atmos Version)" with those new mixes so you can easily listen to whichever you want.
Also, if you carry marcb's argument to the tracks listed as "(2015 stereo mix)" which obviously HAVE been replaced with new Dolby Atmos mixes, they would all just be some "doubled stereo" implementation which they clearly are not.
In any event this is all off topic of what my original post was about which is Apple serving new Dolby Atmos mixes on top of existing releases with names like (2015 version), "(2015 stereo mix)", "(mono)", etc. What you get depends on system capability and settings. In my opinion they are separate releases. There should be a "1 (2015 Version)" that has the mixes as they were released on the 2015 Version and a new "2022 Version" or "Dolby Atmos Version)" with those new mixes so you can easily listen to whichever you want.
Just remember that there is only so much original information that Giles Martin will be able to work with for Beatles releases prior to 1968-ish due to technology which rapidly evolved by the end of that decade. But there is solid musical information that Giles probably used to the fullest to create new mixes for this Atmos release to make them fuller than mono or stereo. That said, these Atmos versions that we haven't previously heard, are a revelation!! Definitely an evolution of what we previously had with the physical disc 5.1's. The early stuff feels very front focused but still has an "air of spatiality" to make me feel like i'm there with the Beatles as they sing and play.
"The first two Beatles albums, Please Please Me and With The Beatles, were recorded on the BTR two-track machines;[3] with the introduction of four-track machines in 1963 (the first 4-track Beatles recording was "I Want to Hold Your Hand"[4]) there came a change in the way recordings were made—tracks could be built up layer by layer, encouraging experimentation in the multitrack recording process.[5]..."
"The first two Beatles albums, Please Please Me and With The Beatles, were recorded on the BTR two-track machines;[3] with the introduction of four-track machines in 1963 (the first 4-track Beatles recording was "I Want to Hold Your Hand"[4]) there came a change in the way recordings were made—tracks could be built up layer by layer, encouraging experimentation in the multitrack recording process.[5]..."
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Mono in Atmos or Stereo mix in Atmos is imho just "Apple speak" for All Stereo or 5/7 speaker stereo = same as listening to stereo thru all my speakers instead of just 2 fronts...but yea us here know whats up however joe blow public will be confused as sh*t
Mono in Atmos or Stereo mix in Atmos is imho just "Apple speak" for All Stereo or 5/7 speaker stereo = same as listening to stereo thru all my speakers instead of just 2 fronts...but yea us here know whats up however joe blow public will be confused as sh*t
You aren’t getting it. These are real new Atmos mixes just playing back when you select tracks that indicate they are something else!
The mixes aren't actually mono or stereo bumped to that "all channel stereo" kinda sound. The #1 mixes are really well done considering the age and technology that was used for Beatles albums before 1967-ish.Mono in Atmos or Stereo mix in Atmos is imho just "Apple speak" for All Stereo or 5/7 speaker stereo = same as listening to stereo thru all my speakers instead of just 2 fronts...but yea us here know whats up however joe blow public will be confused as sh*t
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Ok have to check out more played 1 or 2 tracks and moved on...hey this The Manhattan's r pretty damn good dont remember them
N yeah most people/public r listening thru earbuds except for us...wonder how the all stereo/headphone guys think of this spatial audio?
I have found that Auro3D will upmix mono recordings into a decent spatial presentation. It’s nicer than just a pulsating sphere playing between the two front speakers. Also, you can juice the Auro effect to whatever you think is best.
The mono tracks sure sound like all channel mono to me (albeit not with the same amplitude all around). How are you concluding otherwise?
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