Chicago Quadio - 9 Quad Albums on Blu-ray Audio.

[edisonbaggins]

...Please Dr. Rhino, write me a prescription for a Doobies Quadio Box.. I've an urgent medical need to have those Quads on Blu-ray...
the window is closing, time is fleeting, we'll soon be in another dimensionnnnn.. what are you waiting for Dr. Rhino?

- "Doctor! Doctor! I feel like a pack of cards!"
- "Sit over there and I'll deal with you later"

wocka wocka fckin wocka :ugham:

I'd love for you to actually email this to dr. rhino!

 

[Robert van Diggele]

Conferma Spedizione, Amazon It has shipped the set and is on its way

 

[haikubass]

Conferma Spedizione, Amazon It has shipped the set and is on its way

Congrats - ditto here!
€93.63 shipped.

 

[fredblue]

Conferma Spedizione, Amazon It has shipped the set and is on its way

I've not heard from them.. oh dear.. I do hope we don't brexit or they'll probably cancel my order!

Edit: ..but I have had a despatch confirmation from Amazon UK on the Anthony Phillips 1984 DVD-A.. so.. umm.. yeah..

 

[fredblue]

I'd love for you to actually email this to dr. rhino!

You mean there's a real Dr. Rhino? :yikes
Are they an MD?

 

[Clint Eastwood]

You mean there's a real Dr. Rhino? :yikes
Are they an MD?

Hey man...don't look at me...I still believe in Santa Claus...just saying:slap:

 

[DuncanS]

Yep, and they're really thick skinned!

You mean there's a real Dr. Rhino? :yikes

 

[edisonbaggins]

You mean there's a real Dr. Rhino? :yikes
Are they an MD?

He's not a real Dr., but he is a real rhino!
The reply I recieved:

Dear Mike,



Thank you for your email and your feedback!



I’m so glad to hear that you are enjoying the box.



Sincerely,



Dr. Rhino

 

[proufo]

Doctor please, some more of these...

 

[sperezmore]

Just want to share with my fellow Quad forum members how happy I am now. Chicago Quadio, truly an amazing box set.

I am in Chicago Quad "Heaven"

and............ "Wishing You Were Here" in Chicago VII :banana::banana::banana:

"Wishing You Were Here" - Chicago VII

Pioneer Elite (Audio decoding) - DTS-HD Master Audio 4.0 (24-bit/192Khz)

Chicago Quadio - Amazing Box Set


Kind regards,

 

[rtbluray]

My goodness…we could have known about this weeks before Bull Moose came along and shared the good news!
Look what I found on the Craigman Digital blog! (Run by Craig Anderson who Mastered & Authored this release):

http://blog.craigmandigital.com/2016/04/21st-century-quadrophenia.html

Saturday, April 16, 2016

21st Century Quadrophenia
The music industry is enjoying a resurgence in vinyl sales these days, thanks to hipsters, high-school students and tenacious audiophiles who still feel that surface noise, an antiquated RIAA curve and recycled vinyl make a sound recording more "authentic" or "warmer" than digital. I'm not going to go off on the vinyl vs digital thread here (though I will later), but I do want to highlight another survival story that has slowly bubbled to the surface in the wake of vinyls's recent success.

That surviver is Quadrophonic Audio.

Perhaps because of today's vinyl surge, or perhaps despite it, we have been recently exposed to a number of archive projects dealing with Quad mixes, and our good friends at Rhino Entertainment have taken the bold move of releasing it to the public. The Chicago box set, lovingly named Chicago Quadio Box, is set to hit the streets on April 29. It contains the band's first nine studio albums, from Chicago Transit Authority (aka Chicago I) to Chicago X (Chicago IV was a live recording recorded straight to stereo, and therefore never rendered as a 4-channel product).

After the release and success of Chicago V, the band's entire collection was mixed to quad up until their 10th release. We had the privilege of restoring, mastering and authoring these titles to 192kHz, 24 bit Blu-ray here at CMD. Very cool stuff. It's great that we can present a historic collection like this in such high fidelity for consumers to reproduce in their own home entertainment systems.

I have to say that it sounds phenomenal, and I really appreciate that the band took bold risks in utilizing the multi-channel format (horns only in the right rear, organ and hand claps only in the left rear, etc.). Not every recording weathered the test of time as well as the others (and yes, the band did produce some of the sappiest songs of the decade as well), but overall, it is a beacon of rhythm and brass that has stood the test of time.

So it's cool that we are able to deliver this in such high fidelity to anyone with a surround home theater system. It's easy: four channels of HDMI out of your BD player and into your receiver; we just ignore the center and the sub - you won't tell the difference. But while working on this project (we started in February of 2015), some of our younger crew began asking what should really be an obvious question today: How did people experience Quad audio in 1972?

Naturally, one would need a 4-channel amplifier component with 4 speakers delivering sound to the room, but what delivery methods did the music industry use to get Quad to the masses? It turns out that there were three main Quad delivery formats back in the day, one of which is brilliant, if not imperfect.

The first system was open-reel 4-channel tape. You could purchase a 7" reel for your 4-channel, one-direction 7.5 IPS tape deck, which fed into your Marantz quadrophonic hi-fi. Very hip at the time (did you know they actually made quadrophonic headphones back then?).

The second (and most popular) format was 8-track tape. Most cars in the 1970s that had any more than AM radio (or even more typically, single-channel FM) boasted a groovy 8-track cassette player. Some sprung for the happening Quad upgrade, so you could park behind the drive-in and suck face to Dark Side Of The Moon all night long. Literally. 8-track players never stop once they get to the end of the tape - they flip over and play the next "side." I have no idea how this played out for the Quad aficionados, but perhaps this is what got Tipper Gore so worked up about listening to Black Sabbath backwards. If Paranoid were ever released in Quad. I don't know.

For my money though, the most interesting and unlikely delivery format in quadrophonic hipness was vinyl. That's right: four channels of discrete audio delivered by dragging a metal stick over a hunk of wax that rotated 33 1/3 times per minute.

But wait - how does that work? The mechanics of vinyl are that there are two walls to the groove of the record. Each wall has a unique topography that represents the audio information of each channel, left and right. The needle responds to that topography, and through a series of magnets, inductors, filters and preamps, pushes out two channels of audio per disc. By definition (and limited by physics, man), you can only ever get two channels out of a record.

But they did it. And they were very clever about it.

So as an audiophile and a guy who argues in favor of high-resolution, high bit-depth PCM audio all the time, I feel compelled to stop right here and mention that I am not applauding the fidelity of multi-channel audio delivered on vinyl. There are plenty of quadrophonic screes out there bemoaning the failure of Quad on vinyl, mostly because it's a matrix-based format prone to degradation over time, but I'm going to praise the solution (or at least one in particular - there was more than one Quad-on-vinyl scheme out there at the time), because it is a very clever feat of engineering innovation.

The solution, as just mentioned above, was in a matrix. A matrix and a very high-frequency component. The solution we will focus on here is CD-4 (Compatible Discrete 4), aka Quadradisc. CD-4 was developed in 1971 by RCA and JVC. Part of the problem was that the music industry had introduced this new 4-channel format to the world, but most of the world was grooving to their tunes literally with grooves - vinyl. Everyone was still buying vinyl, but not everyone had a Quad system installed at their pad. So how do you make a quadrophonic record that is still compatible with all the still-remaining stereo LP players in the marketplace?

The answer: make a stereo-compatible piece of lacquer, and push all of your additional channel information up onto a subcarrier that lives at a higher frequency than the human ear can perceive.

In a regular stereo system, the circuitry (and hardware) are limited to an upper-frequency range of about 20kHz. This is similar to CD, as our human ears are unable to directly perceive much information above 22kHz (more for kids, of course). The CD-4 system takes advantage of this natural "flaw" in our aural intake, and pushes the frequency response of the needle and circuitry up to 45kHz. At 45kHz, they introduced a subcarrier that was then FM modulated to carry the Quad information for those with Quad compatible systems.

That's where the matrix comes in. Remember that we have to keep these discs playable for regular stereo owners, too. How do you do that? Easy. Just add the Left Front channel (Lf) and the Left Rear (Lr) channel together, and put them on the left wall of the record. Add the Right two channels (Rf + Rr) together and do the same. But if you take the difference of the left channels and the difference of the right channels and place them on that 45kHz subcarrier, BOOM! You've got a matrix.

So here's the deal: Left Channel (under 20kHz) is just L = (Lf + Lr). Its 45kHz subcarrier is Ls =(Lf - Lr) - a difference signal. Right Channel under 20kHz is R = (Rf + Rf), and it subcarrier is Ls = (Rf - Rr). Upon playback, you filter each channel such that the lower frequency component goes to one side and the upper frequency component goes to another. Demodulate the FM subcarrier to get your difference signal, then simply add (L + Ls) to get the discrete Left Front (Lf) channel and subtract (L - Ls) to get the discrete Lr channel. Do the same with the right two channels, and you've got discrete Quad audio delivered on two-channel vinyl.

On Vinyl:
L = (Lf + Lr)
Ls = (Lf - Lr) @ 45kHz

R = (Rf + Rr)
Rs = (Rf - Rf) @ 45kHz

On Decode:
Lf = (Lf + Lr) + (Lf - Lr)
Lr = (Lf + Lr) - (Lf - Lr)
Rf = (Rf + Rr) + (Rf - Rr)
Rf = (Rf + Rr) - (Rf - Rr)

The result? Genuine engineering brilliance (with a tip of the hat to the NTSC's solution to the color sideband solution dating back to 1953). More on that later, but we got discrete 4-channel audio out of a 2-channel delivery system, and if you notice, people with stereo audio systems didn't notice a thing, because the Lf and Lr components stayed in their left speakers (and similarly for the right), and no additional information was added to or subtracted from their listening experience.

Over time, one would find that after multiple plays, the 45kHz subcarrier signal would degrade, due to the physical stress of dragging a diamond stylus across a piece of vinyl. The response was to manufacture harder, wear-resistant vinyl and a differently shaped stylus to improve the durability of the subcarrier component. However, by the 1980s, the downward-turning economy and the promise of CD soon overshadowed the desire to spend money on crackly 12-inch obelisks, and the 4.75-inch shiny round thing took control of the audio consumer's market.

Mark Anderson is a nice guy with a very outdated website (I know - who are we to complain, right?), but he's got very useful information if you care to look further into the history of the quad world. He can be found here:
http://www.surrounddiscography.com/quaddisc/quadplay.htm

 

[rtbluray]

Also, while many people have taken the time to email Dr Rhino (and I will too), I decided to send this email to Craig as he really did such an amazing job mastering and authoring these Chicago Blu-Ray discs:

Hi Craig!
My name's Ryan.
I'm a young audio engineer based near Nashville, and I'm also a big fan of high-res surround sound mixes.
I just received the new Chicago Quadio set a few days ago, and it really is the best and most impressive collection of classic 70s Quadraphonic mixes that I have ever purchased.
Unlike a lot of other albums that have been recently remastered, these Chicago mixes have such excellent fidelity and are not fatiguing on the ears at all, so well done on making these mixes sound their absolute best!
I'm also really pleased with the way these Blu-Ray discs are authored. The use of auto-play and the colored buttons to switch between audio streams are great for those of us who prefer not to use a TV when listening to these discs, but at the same time, the on-screen graphic is simple yet effective, so once again, job well done!

Please pass on to others who have worked on this set that myself and so many others would love similar sets from Rhino in the future, especially a Blu-Ray set of the 4 Quad mixes from the Doobie Brothers!
In the meantime though, I would encourage you to check out the QuadraphonicQuad forum so you can see what everyone else has to say about how great this box really is! From all of us, thank you so much!

Cheers,
Ryan

(I did include the link to QQ at the bottom of my message. Let's see how he responds!)

 

[Which_One_Is_Pink]

Coolio Ryan good work, hopefully they will check us out here and be inspired to bring us more

 

[Eggplant]

Got mine Monday.
Only listened to two discs so far, and on my lesser system (main one has no Blu-Ray yet), but essentially ...

I have died and gone to heaven.

Can't think of anything Rhino could have done to make this sound better.
Ask yourself: could a major label have produced a set of this quality on their own?
I really have nothing more to say.

Take a bow, Rhino!
There's a reason they have been the premier reissue house for half a century.

 

[The Rang]

Heck yeah. I love the compactness of Quadio as well. In fact, when the box arrived I sort of thought... "This cannot be Quadio". Then opened it....
A side note. I had ordered mine from Import CD's...and in this particular case I was NOT impressed with their packaging. Quadio was in a cheapo, cardboard box....no protection whatsoever. In fact, the box was so beat up and scarred I swear it was a used box. Odd. I was fully expecting to find damage to Quadio, but I lucked out.

Exactly my experience, the shipping box was beat to crap yet the contents were miraculously unscathed.

 

[Cheezmo]

Heck yeah. I love the compactness of Quadio as well. In fact, when the box arrived I sort of thought... "This cannot be Quadio". Then opened it....
A side note. I had ordered mine from Import CD's...and in this particular case I was NOT impressed with their packaging. Quadio was in a cheapo, cardboard box....no protection whatsoever. In fact, the box was so beat up and scarred I swear it was a used box. Odd. I was fully expecting to find damage to Quadio, but I lucked out.

Imagine if they had put it on 2 discs (at about 70Gb of audio data, it would have fit) as a dual layer Blu-ray holds about 50Gb.

 

[JonUrban]

I was just thinking.

I saw that this years Kennedy Center Honors will honor the Eagles (they were supposed to get it last year but Glenn Frey was sick and they figured he'd be better this year). What better way to honor Glenn's memory than an Eagles QUADIO box?

The Eagles (First Album) [Unreleased Quad Mix from 1970's]
Desperado [Unreleased Quad Mix from 1970's]
On the Border [Quad Mix from 1970's]
One of These Nights [Quad Mix from 1970's]
Hotel California [5.1 DVD-A Mix] (or if it exists the planned Quad Mix from the 1970's)
The Long Run [Elliot Scheiner unreleased (or unfinsihed) 5.1 DVD-A Mix]

IMHO, a box like this would be just as impressive as the Chicago Quadio box.

 

[Simon A]

I was just thinking.

I saw that this years Kennedy Center Honors will honor the Eagles (they were supposed to get it last year but Glenn Frey was sick and they figured he'd be better this year). What better way to honor Glenn's memory than an Eagles QUADIO box?

The Eagles (First Album) [Unreleased Quad Mix from 1970's]
Desperado [Unreleased Quad Mix from 1970's]
On the Border [Quad Mix from 1970's]
One of These Nights [Quad Mix from 1970's]
Hotel California [5.1 DVD-A Mix] (or if it exists the planned Quad Mix from the 1970's)
The Long Run [Elliot Scheiner unreleased (or unfinished) 5.1 DVD-A Mix]

IMHO, a box like this would be just as impressive as the Chicago Quadio box.

Honestly, I'm not a huge Eagles fan, but I'd be all over this set like butter on toast if they did make it happen.

 

[rtbluray]

Imagine if they had put it on 2 discs (at about 70Gb of audio data, it would have fit) as a dual layer Blu-ray holds about 50Gb.

They could have done that, but I'm really glad they didn't, and the reason why is because I like how they reproduced each album's gatefold artwork and additional paraphernalia exactly as the vinyl releases were when they first came out.
Yes, they could have done more to fill out the Blu-Ray space by including audio extras, but in this instance, I could care less about that, because Rhino did exactly what we wanted them to do.
They gave us great masters of the original stereo & Quadraphonic mixes in their highest resolution, so that in itself was all we really needed, and we got it!

 

[rtbluray]

I was just thinking.

I saw that this years Kennedy Center Honors will honor the Eagles (they were supposed to get it last year but Glenn Frey was sick and they figured he'd be better this year). What better way to honor Glenn's memory than an Eagles QUADIO box?

The Eagles (First Album) [Unreleased Quad Mix from 1970's]
Desperado [Unreleased Quad Mix from 1970's]
On the Border [Quad Mix from 1970's]
One of These Nights [Quad Mix from 1970's]
Hotel California [5.1 DVD-A Mix] (or if it exists the planned Quad Mix from the 1970's)
The Long Run [Elliot Scheiner unreleased (or unfinsihed) 5.1 DVD-A Mix]

IMHO, a box like this would be just as impressive as the Chicago Quadio box.

My only question (besides 'do the unreleased mixes actually exist or are they just myths?') is would it be proper to include 5.1 mixes in a 'QUADIO' box set? Based on the Chicago set, I would say probably not, but then again, if they did exactly what you outlined and called it by some other name, then hey, I would have nothing wrong with that!