Well, if it's good enough for @J. PUPSTER and @GOS , you know i'm all over that!OK, just ordered a copy from Franck's website, Peachy Mango.
Listening to Now (In Surround) - Volume 2
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There's a post on the forum somewhere about the earlier SACD release. Some people thought the rear channels were reversed, but actually that is not so.
@fredblue and @steelydave both reference the Z-shape "swoosh" of the pans. Here are links to BOTH POSTS
I think there's another post by @steelydave about this further clarifying that the channel assignments on Ship Ahoy were intentional and not mixed up.
But I could be remembering wrong.
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Edit: THIS might be the @steelydave post you reference
Over two days. Love the quad.See, now you're just showing off. You really listened to all that in one day? If so, why?
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bgf1973
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h/t to @Clement for sourcing the posts in a previous reply, but yes, I was mistaken back then suggesting that the channels were swapped, because I didn't understand the purpose behind 'diagonal pans' (putting elements in either the front left and right surround, or front right and left surround simultaneously) being to suspend something in the phantom center or "quad center" of the room while still conforming SQ matrix rules and regulations.
As far as how the Sony and D-V masterings compare, in my opinion (biased, maybe?) the D-V is the clear winner. There's more deep bass extension on the D-V, and it has the lovely upper-midrange slightly forward sound that's typical of Mike Dutton's masterings - it's this that really makes the phantom center (and other phantom placements) really pop, in addition to enhancing left/right separation. There are certain horn/string elements that I always perceived as being sort of 'middle' (rear or front) panned in the old Sony mastering that are clearly revealed to be hard left or right in the D-V. If you care at all about stereo, the D-V stereo mastering of Ship Ahoy is night-and-day better than what's on both the SACD and CD layers of the Sony. The Sony mastering (either by compression or limiting) is barely a DR10 (more than half the tracks are 9) whereas the D-V mastering is an exceptional DR14 ('For the Love of Money' is DR16!) which is right in line with the dynamics of the original vinyl.
Ship Ahoy and the Isley's 3+3 were probably my two most-listened to SACDs from the original SACD/DVD-A era, so I feel like I kind of know them like the back of my hand. The new D-V masterings of both of these albums are considerable improvements, and while 3+3 is more of a revelation (primarily because the Sony 3+3 was kind of butchered) I still think the D-V set that includes Ship Ahoy is a signficant upgrade. Not only do you get that album, you also get Message in the Music, which alongside Ship Ahoy is one of the best quad mixes (and probably one of the best surround mixes in any format) and a hot live album with plenty of rear-speaker action in Live in London.
I still pinch myself sometimes, as someone who paid nearly 300 bucks once for a lot of 6 Q8 tapes just to get the ultra-rare Message in the Music, that we've been so lucky to get all of these albums rendered in virtually perfect quality for an absolute bargain price. I know this kind of music isn't to everyone's taste, but I can't recommend this set (and the D-V Survival/Family Reunion two-fer) highly enough.
bgf1973
1K Club - QQ Shooting Star
bgf1973
1K Club - QQ Shooting Star
I was at several Guess Who concerts back in the 1970s. Music memory bank won't let it go. For sure ?? I have fewer Beach Boys albums than you.
And ah now, eh: Cool quad.
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