Modern player for DTS CDs, DVD-A, and SACD 5.1?

[Sonik Wiz]

Good refresher. More stuff I forgot!

Another couple of things come to mind when reading that article... as it states the NTSC analog video was at 525 lines resolution. But when the DVD came out at 480 vertical resolution. Less resolution than analog? It happened because it was common in analog CRT TV days to have a certain percentage of over scan built in to eliminate the chance of any black bars at the top or bottom cuz analog wasn't all that precise. The over scan meant that unless you had a pro monitor the viewer was actually seeing about 480 lines vert res. There ya go, a standard was born.

Another historical tid bit is the first hi res video format was on the analog Laserdisc. The format was called Hi Vision & the special LD players output video into the MUSE decoder for 1125 lines vert res. Better than our launch of Blu-ray HD.

The OP of course asks a very good question & to me a crucial aspect is whether you need analog audio outputs. If you do the options are limited & expensive. I do so I'm hoping my 105 outlives me. It was one of the later production runs offered when both the 103/105 & 203/205 were current models on their website. I purchased it refurbed for under $1k but I can't remember exactly how many years ago. It's worked flawlessly every time. If it breaks beyond repair my older son in law has a 205 he's not using cuz everything streamed or played through his PlayStation. I'm sure he loan to me indefinitely.

 

[boxhead]

Another couple of things come to mind when reading that article... as it states the NTSC analog video was at 525 lines resolution. But when the DVD came out at 480 vertical resolution. Less resolution than analog? It happened because it was common in analog CRT TV days to have a certain percentage of over scan built in to eliminate the chance of any black bars at the top or bottom cuz analog wasn't all that precise. The over scan meant that unless you had a pro monitor the viewer was actually seeing about 480 lines vert res. There ya go, a standard was born.

Another historical tid bit is the first hi res video format was on the analog Laserdisc. The format was called Hi Vision & the special LD players output video into the MUSE decoder for 1125 lines vert res. Better than our launch of Blu-ray HD.

The OP of course asks a very good question & to me a crucial aspect is whether you need analog audio outputs. If you do the options are limited & expensive. I do so I'm hoping my 105 outlives me. It was one of the later production runs offered when both the 103/105 & 203/205 were current models on their website. I purchased it refurbed for under $1k but I can't remember exactly how many years ago. It's worked flawlessly every time. If it breaks beyond repair my older son in law has a 205 he's not using cuz everything streamed or played through his PlayStation. I'm sure he loan to me indefinitely.

Regarding NTSC 525 line resolution, the 45 line difference between 525 and 480 is defined thus:

The scan lines are the vertical resolution of the system; for example, an NTSC TV signal uses 525 lines, 480 of which contain image data ("active" scan lines) and 45 are the vertical blanking interval (VBI) in between the frames. (source: PC Mag)
So a DVD or Bluray player takes the 480 lines that are on the disc and adds the 45 vertical blanking interval lines to the signal thus providing the 525 lines expected by the display device. Note that these vertical blanking interval lines are only necessary on CRT devices for syncing the signal between each frame.

For PAL the numbers are 576 lines on the disc plus 49 vertical blanking lines giving a total of 625 lines. Why does PAL use 49 and NTSC 45? I have no idea.

 

[Owen Smith]

Good refresher. More stuff I forgot!

The only time you truly get away from any NTSC/PAL influence is when playing 24p content.

 

[mandrix]

The only time you truly get away from any NTSC/PAL influence is when playing 24p content.

We will assimilate you: resistance is futile.
Well variety makes the world go 'round. Or is it money? I forget.

 

[Sonik Wiz]

Regarding NTSC 525 line resolution, the 45 line difference between 525 and 480 is defined thus:

The scan lines are the vertical resolution of the system; for example, an NTSC TV signal uses 525 lines, 480 of which contain image data ("active" scan lines) and 45 are the vertical blanking interval (VBI) in between the frames. (source: PC Mag)
So a DVD or Bluray player takes the 480 lines that are on the disc and adds the 45 vertical blanking interval lines to the signal thus providing the 525 lines expected by the display device. Note that these vertical blanking interval lines are only necessary on CRT devices for syncing the signal between each frame.

For PAL the numbers are 576 lines on the disc plus 49 vertical blanking lines giving a total of 625 lines. Why does PAL use 49 and NTSC 45? I have no idea.

Realy good clarification of my original post.

 

[barfle]

But my real question I'm slow to getting around to is: are we still living in the age of NTSC/PAL/SECAM? Weren't standards consolidated in the mass conversion to digital video format?

I jave to admit, that’s been a puzzle for me as well. I’m pretty well versed in those standards (I have referred to myself as being the guru of obsolete technologies), so I’m confused when my digital TV playing a digital,source, says it’s NTSC.

I’m also confused as to why, when playing a 30 fps production, they often show 29.96 frame rate. I know why they did that for analog tv (harmonic interleave, and yes, I can get down in the weeds, as much as I remember). But with a digital signal, it makes no sense.

 

[4_everyman]

I have the exact same setup on disc players!!!

Same here!