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vinylguy4

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Just some FYI when you are browsing Ebay for quads.

In the very late 1990's I came across several
LPs that appear to be quadraphonic but in fact
are not. I know of four reissues that use the quad
cover but have a stereo reissue record inside.
The Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here is an original
issue that has a SQ quad label but the actual
record is stereo. All are US issues.

First one is Johnny Winter - John Dawson Winter III.
This one is easy to spot. If there is a barcode on
the back of the cover, then it is a fake quad. I've
seen several sealed copies for sale on ebay, and
I've told the owners. Some have opened up the record
and sure enough, just a regular stereo Blue Sky label
on the LP. I played the fake and compared to a real
quad and the reissue definitely is not quad.

Next fake is Earth Wind and Fire - That's The Way Of The World.
This fake also has a barcode on the back cover(real quad
has no bar code) but has record # PC 33280 on the spline.
Inside is stereo red label record. I have the real quad
of this one and the mix is different. The fake quad has
the same mix as my stereo copy of this LP.

Now some tricky ones. Harold Melvin and the Blue Notes -
Wake Up Everybody. This fake quad looks exactly like
the real quad on the outside. If it is sealed, you will
have no way of telling if it is quad or not except.....
the real quad uses thicker cardboard for the cover and
the inner sleeve is also cardboard. The fake quad
uses thinner cardboard and a plain paper inner sleeve.
The fake has no barcode or any other identifying marks.
But the record inside has the regular stereo LP. I played
the fake quad and it is definitely not quad.

Last fake quad reissue that I know about is Sly Stone's -
High On You. The fake quad has the same front and
back cover artwork as the real quad. The fake quad has
the record number PE 33835 on the edge and does not have
EPIC QUADRAPHONIC. The real quad has PEQ 33853 and
also says EPIC QUADRAPHONIC on the edge.
The record inside is a regular stereo LP with a blue
EPIC label. But be sure that the runout area
of the LP has numbers QAL 33835 -1A for side 1.

The last one I'll talk about is an oldie but goodie.
Apparently the record company had extra SQ Quadraphonic
LP labels and just stuck them on Pink Floyd's - Wish You Were Here.
On my real quad, the back of the cover is stamped in gold with
with QUADRAPHONIC. And the record numbers and stereo word
on the cover spline are covered with stickers. The best
way to tell the quad from the stereo is to look at the
runout area of the LP. A side of the quad will have
stamped numbers PQAL 33453 -1?. The stereo LP will not have
the Q in the numbers. Side 2 is similar (real quad has PQBL 33453 -1?).
Also, the real quad should end side one with and extra bit of
synth music. The stereo ends side one with some party sounds.

If you are buying any of these five quadraphonic LPs,
be sure and ask questions before you lay out the cash.


Vinylguy4
 
Are either of the WYWH LPs currently listed on eBay true quad?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Pink-Floyd-VERY...goryZ306QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


http://cgi.ebay.com/PINK-FLOYD-WISH...ZWD1VQQ_trksidZp1638.m118.l1247QQcmdZViewItem

It doesn't seem there is enough info to tell based on your advice.

Thanks for the coaching,

- Ben

First one in the description said "Matrix Numbers: 1) P Q AL 33453-1A / P Q BL 33453-1C (both stamped) - 1st Pressing!!"
So that is a US quad.

Second one says "Catalog # Q4 SHVL 814"
That would be a non-US version. So probably is a quad. Only the runnout area can tell you for sure. I have not heard of any problems with the non-US version.

Vinylguy4
 
I didn't notice the "both stamped" in the first description and it is good to know non-US are relatively safe.

Thanks again - Ben
 
On my real quad, the back of the cover is stamped in gold with
with QUADRAPHONIC. And the record numbers and stereo word
on the cover spline are covered with stickers.

Vinylguy4

Mine is exactly like yours... it has the gold stamp on the back as if they didn't have any covers printed up and used stereo covers with a stamp and stickers.
I do have the true quad as well and was lucky to get one.

-Bob
 
The mystery to me was why Columbia, when pressing this vinyl, used quad covers at all. Even if they didn't keep the original artwork, it would have been easy enough to find original covers to copy, rather than quad covers. I saw Sly's HIGH ON YOU but checked out the vinyl and, sure enough, it had a stereo matrix, which I expected, so figured the others were similar.

It's also possible--though probably not relevant to the board--that a few mono covers were pressed but stereo tapes used for mastering; and vice versa, stereo covers with mono sound inside. But as Sony pressed quite a few reissue titles during this period, didn't really feel like finding out, as I had all the original mono and stereo vinyl(and quad)anyway.

ED :)
 
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