Sorry I didn't realize I was taking this thread off its original topic!!!
The Beach Boys "Sounds Of Summer: The Very Best Of (60th Anniv. Expanded Edition)" 3CD set (Capitol) (6/17/2022)
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Sorry I didn't realize I was taking this thread off its original topic!!!
Mostly agree except 1) with the notion the music industry, i.e. the labels, don’t have full control whether or not a song or album (or version of these) is available via streaming and 2) physical product isn’t going away.
The labels completely control it. Even in the event of a streaming platform having exclusive license, I can’t imagine a streaming service gets exclusive license in the event it ceases to be active or chooses not to exercise its exclusive license.
And besides, do you really see, say, Amazon or Apple‘s streaming platforms suddenly going out of business?
As for physical product not going anywhere, in less than a year we’ve almost seen the extinction of physical surround music. The extinction of other music formats on physical disc hasn’t happened yet, but it’s on life support. And when the plug gets pulled (which isn’t far off IMO) it will be just as quick.
Sure, vinyl has undergone a resurgence, but it’s still a low volume, high effort enterprise. Vinyl does have the benefit of not being easily replicable - which helps it’s viability. But the lack of investment by venture capital and the music industry big money in the infrastructure for vinyl - the production backlog for pressing and jackets is as much as 18 months - says to me the industry support is more near-term than long-term and vinyl is not immune from being forced back into oblivion.
Anyone else surprised that the preview tracks Good Vibrations and Shut Down have not be made available in Atmos? Typically the streaming services preview in Atmos as well.
Both tracks in Atmos now on Apple Music.
salsdali
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I'm an old fart
Apparently the Atmos tracks that were released were not from the mulits but upmixed with DeMIX Pro!
So now I am wondering how many of these Atmos releases that are coming out are legit remixes from master tapes, or just upmixes using the latest technology. Pretty interesting
I received this email from DeMIX today:
"The original released in 2003 has been expanded with 50 new tracks featuring a broad mix from their wide-ranging catalogue and nearly every US Top 40 hit of the group's career. 24 new mixes include 2 in stereo for the first time, plus 22 new, further improved stereo mixes many only made possible by using the latest DeMIX Pro Version 3 as the production team were able to get high quality separations of the original mono backing tracks for the first time.
As 3-time Grammy award winner Mark Linett explains:
"DeMIX Pro is my go-to software for extraction mixes. Version 3 gives you almost perfect vocal separations straight up. The quality of the new recordings would not have been possible without it"."
So now I am wondering how many of these Atmos releases that are coming out are legit remixes from master tapes, or just upmixes using the latest technology. Pretty interesting
I received this email from DeMIX today:
"The original released in 2003 has been expanded with 50 new tracks featuring a broad mix from their wide-ranging catalogue and nearly every US Top 40 hit of the group's career. 24 new mixes include 2 in stereo for the first time, plus 22 new, further improved stereo mixes many only made possible by using the latest DeMIX Pro Version 3 as the production team were able to get high quality separations of the original mono backing tracks for the first time.
As 3-time Grammy award winner Mark Linett explains:
"DeMIX Pro is my go-to software for extraction mixes. Version 3 gives you almost perfect vocal separations straight up. The quality of the new recordings would not have been possible without it"."
Apparently Apple has a proscription against upmixes but not mixes made from extracted separations.
Audiowannabee
1K Club - QQ Shooting Star
Listened a lil to Beach Boys Atmos mixes last night Not too impressed. Hey what how did they do louis armstrong??? "what a wonderfull world" that i was impressed with for old recording!
Somehow or another, my comment disappeared between the repeats of Jon's comment. What I was trying to say was, if the DeMIX software is capable, as I'm guessing from reading what Jon said, of creating a DES version of a mono track, why didn't they use it on "Be True To Your School"? It appears to be the only track in the set that is in mono. The track does appear in stereo on one of the Eric Records "Stereo Explosion" series, and I would have been curious to see how the DeMIX software would handle it.
They’re also using an alternate mix I’m not used to. Are the mono and stereo mixes different takes/arrangements? If so I’m probably used to the stereo mix because I don’t remember hearing the cheerleaders right before the first verse comes in.
There are 2 versions of Be True To Your School. Help Me, R(h)onda has a different LP version from 45, as well. Like Beatles, there are many different versions, takes, mixes, etc. on Beach Boys records/CD's.
mono 45 version w/Honeys (future wife Marilyn, her sister & their friend) on background vocals (includes portion of On Wisconsin [my Alma Mater}):
2ch version from Little Deuce Coupe album. mono LP is same version:
mono 45 version w/Honeys (future wife Marilyn, her sister & their friend) on background vocals (includes portion of On Wisconsin [my Alma Mater}):
2ch version from Little Deuce Coupe album. mono LP is same version:
Thanks Linda, I think I prefer the LP version. It’s also in a different key which is interesting.
Only the 45 single version had the cheerleaders. The 45 version had never been on an album until recently, so there was no stereo version. The version on the Hit Parade (Eric) compilation was digitally extracted stereo, but it sounds quite good. Full separation and all. It even rocked through the Surround Master!
The new expanded release has 80 tracks of which only 30 are in Atmos. DES technology was used on 22 tracks in the set of 80. I am guessing only a small number of the Atmos tracks have an association with DES.
It would have been nice if they'd have said which tracks used what technology.
it would but i'm wondering might it be mostly the earlier recordings?
Hmm. Given that The Beach Boys originals were only incidentally multitrack (all of 4 tracks! Woo! These then mixed to mono, the stereo left as an exercise for the engineer), how else would you get any kind of contemporary-sounding mix, either in stereo or surround?
I think these tracks sound amazing. It's extraordinary that the tool used to extract individual instruments and voices is a $600 Mac program... but there's nothing automatic about this app, and while it can tease out drum tracks, glockenspiels, harps, harmonicas and all the other fun stuff Brian Wilson brought to his art, Mark Linnet still had to create the new surround track that preserves the artistic intent of the original track. It's pretty amazing work really, very similar to Giles Martin's work across the pond.
Now, if we could just buy a copy to reside on our own music server... Maybe the blu ray version will come out in time for Christmas...
