Vanguard unreleased quad mixes

[steelydave]

While I was doing research for that Vanguard history post I just made, I was looking through Vanguard's VSQ QS LP series, and I noticed there are a ton of holes in the sequential numbering system, presumably for albums that were assigned a quad catalog number and then released only in stereo and not quad.

As we know, a lot of the Vanguard QS LP's have a common back cover that denotes both the stereo and quad catalog number, so I went through all the Vanguard VSD stereo releases from 1972 through 1975 and looked at the back covers, and found a bunch that have quad catalog numbers that were never released in quad, and also don't show up in the 'Quadraphonic Recordings NOT RELEASED' discography:

VSQ 40021 - The Country Gentlemen 'The Country Gentlemen' (1973)
VSQ-40023 - Larry Coryell 'The Real Great Escape' (1973)
VSQ-40027 - Buffy Sainte-Marie 'Native North-American Child: An Odyssey' (1974)
VSQ-40041 - The Roto Rooter Good Time Christmas Band 'The Roto Rooter Good Time Christmas Band' (1974)

There are also several more catalog prefixes that I can't find any information for, but were probably allocated to other Vanguard releases of the 1973/74 period:

VSQ 40010 - ?
VSQ 40014 - ?
VSQ 40019 - ?
VSQ-40029 - ?
VSQ-40030 - ?
VSQ-40037 - ?
VSQ-40038 - ?
VSQ-40044 - ?

 

[GOS]

Roto Rooter Band huh....wow. haha

 

[fizzywiggs41]

Unreleased Vanguard 'SQ' Album

VSQ -40026

 

[fizzywiggs41]

@steelydave

That stereo album of Seigel Schwall - Best Of (1973) , unreleased SQ album ,comes with a stereo numbers listings on the album jacket .
However there is no way to discern how the quad numbers are assigned.

Sorry Steely.

 

[furui_suterioo]

I don't think it was actually released in quad(maybe a mix lying around in a vault?), but the discogs Notes section says "Also available as quadraphonic sound release with catalog number VSQ-40028" and I just like the cover:
Sivuca – Sivuca (1973, Vinyl)

 

[rustyandi]

I don't think it was actually released in quad(maybe a mix lying around in a vault?), but the discogs Notes section says "Also available as quadraphonic sound release with catalog number VSQ-40028" and I just like the cover:
Sivuca – Sivuca (1973, Vinyl)
View attachment 67759

This maybe another one the LP is stereo

 

[winopener]

France-only bogus quad:

 

[jaybird100]

While I was doing research for that Vanguard history post I just made, I was looking through Vanguard's VSQ QS LP series, and I noticed there are a ton of holes in the sequential numbering system, presumably for albums that were assigned a quad catalog number and then released only in stereo and not quad.

As we know, a lot of the Vanguard QS LP's have a common back cover that denotes both the stereo and quad catalog number, so I went through all the Vanguard VSD stereo releases from 1972 through 1975 and looked at the back covers, and found a bunch that have quad catalog numbers that were never released in quad, and also don't show up in the 'Quadraphonic Recordings NOT RELEASED' discography:

VSQ 40021 - The Country Gentlemen 'The Country Gentlemen' (1973)
VSQ-40023 - Larry Coryell 'The Real Great Escape' (1973)
VSQ-40027 - Buffy Sainte-Marie 'Native North-American Child: An Odyssey' (1974)
VSQ-40041 - The Roto Rooter Good Time Christmas Band 'The Roto Rooter Good Time Christmas Band' (1974)

There are also several more catalog prefixes that I can't find any information for, but were probably allocated to other Vanguard releases of the 1973/74 period:

VSQ 40010 - ?
VSQ 40014 - ?
VSQ 40019 - ?
VSQ-40029 - ?
VSQ-40030 - ?
VSQ-40037 - ?
VSQ-40038 - ?
VSQ-40044 - ?

The Vanguard quad LP's were in SQ, except for in Japan, where they were QS.

 

[MidiMagic]

I remember when quad came out that some record companies use the same number for the stereo and quad issues and changed only the prefix for the difference between the stereo and the quad.

For the ones with no quad issue, there was only the one number.

They also did the same thing for the difference between the mono and stereo versions.

I have one album in both the stereo and mono version. The covers have the same number, except that an S was added to the prefix on the stereo version.

 

[fizzywiggs41]

@steelydave

I was looking for some common thread or common indicator for those Vanguard releases.
Not very promising but the closest I came up with are the Stereo recordings that were picked for quad release seem to be anywhere between the numbers : VSD 79318.... to VSD 79350 .

I have a Vanguard Stereo listing from a record sleeve that gives the quad release available* and the relative stereo number .


Unfortunately it does not indicate all the quad albums released .

Going by the quad release numbers I have ;

QUAD ALBUM #...STEREO ALBUM #
VSQ 40001/2 .......VSD 6570/71--JOAN BAEZ, BLESSED ARE
VSQ 40003.............VSD ?--------BUFFY SAINTE MARIE , MOONSHOT
VSQ 40004/5 .........VSD 27/28 .......COUNTRY JOE AND THE FISH , FROM HAIGHT ASHBURY TO WOODSTOCK
VSQ 40006..............VSD. ? ............LARRY CORYELL , AT THE VILLAGE GATE
VSQ 40007/8 ........VSD ? ............PETER SCHICKELE , WURST OF PDQ BACH
VSQ 400013 ..........VSD 79319.....LARRY CORYELL , OFFERING
VSQ 400016...........VSD 79335 .....PETER SCHICKELE , THE INTIMATE PDQ BACH
VSQ 400020............VSD ? .....BUFFY SAINTE MARIE , QUIET PLACES
VSQ 400031............VSD 79341 ....OREGON , DISTANT HILLS
VSQ 400032............VSD 79332 .....JOAN BAEZ , GREATEST HITS
VSQ 400033/34.......VSD 53/54....THE CLANCY BROTHERS , GREATEST HITS
VSQ 400035 ............VSD ? .........STOMU YAMASH'TA , RED BUDDHA
VSQ 400036.............VSD 79342 ....LARRY CORYELL , THE ELEVENTH HOUSE
VSQ 400039/40........VSD 61/62 ....GEORGE FEYER , PLAYS ESSENTIAL GERSHWIN

VSD 71212 (SINGLE INVENTORY) -CHRISTMAS EVE AT THE CATHEDRALOF ST JOHN THE DIVINE , RICHARD WESTENBURG CONDUCTOR , DAVID PIZARRO ORGANIST AND MATER CHOIRIST FOR CATHEDRAL BOY'S CHOIR

UNRELEASED--

VSQ 400027 .......VSD 79340 ......BUFFY SAINTE MARIE , NATIVE NORTH AMERICAN CHILD -AN ODESSEY
VSQ 4000 ? .........VSD 79326 ......OREGON , MUSIC OF ANOTHER PRESENT ERA
VSQ 400026 ........VSD 79336 ......THE SIEGEL SCHWALL BAND , THE BEST OF
VSQ 400018 .........VSD ? ..............AL ANDERSON , AL ANDERSON
VSQ 400012..........VSD 6578.........SANDY BULL , DEMOLITION DERBY
VSQ 40009............VSD 79318........CLEAN LIVING , CLEAN LIVING
VSQ 400025 ...........VSD 79334 .......CLEAN LIVING , MEADOW MUFFIN
VSQ 400023 ............VSD ? ............LARRY CORYELL , THE REAL GREAT ESCAPE
VSQ 400021 ............VSD 79331 .....THE COUNTRY GENTLEMAN , THE COUNTRY GENTLEMAN
VSQ 400010 ............VSD ? ...........BOB FRANK , BOB FRANK
VSQ 400024 ............VSD 79333 ....KINKY FREIDMAN , SOLD AMERICAN
VSQ 400043 ............VSD 79348 ...COUNTRY JOE MACDONALD, COUNTRY JOE
VSQ 400042 ............VSD 79346 ...MAX MORATH , SINGS IRVING BERLIN *
VSQ 400015 ............VSD 79326 ....OREGON , MUSIC OF ANOTHER PRESENT ERA *
VSQ 400045 ............VSD 79350 ...OREGON , WINTER LIGHT *
VSQ 400028 ............VSD 79337 ...SIVUCA (SEVERINO D'OLIVIERA)
VSQ 400022 ............VSD 79328 .....COUNTRY JOE MACDONALD , PARIS SESSIONS

* these may have actual quad releases


QR & Q8# .....STEREO #

VSS 14 , L714 ....VSD 6545 .....COUNTRY JOE AND THE FISH , GREATESTS HITS
VSS 10 , Q8? .....VSD 79286 ...JEAN JACQUES PERRY , THE AMAZING ELECTRONIC SOUNDS OF JJ PERRY
VSS 8 , Q8? ....VSD 79308 ...JOAN BAEZ , DAVID'S ALBUM
VSS 9 , Q8? .........VSD ? ...........BUFFY SAINTE MARIE , ILLUMINATIONS



That's all I could try and correlate with those VSD 793... #'s

Good luck, Steely

 

[fizzywiggs41]

These pictures (not the best) of the Stereo Vanguard Record sleeve are what I sat down with to try and find any similarlity between the quad records.
FWIW The quad numbers are not indicated... only an asteric * to signify they are available in quad but the correspondingly stereo numbers are provided.

 

[jaybird100]

Who controls the Vanguard catalog now? It would be great to see these made available to DV for SACD's.

 

[humprof]

Who controls the Vanguard catalog now? It would be great to see these made available to DV for SACD's.

It's part of the Concord Group.
https://concord.com/labels/vanguard-records/

 

[J. PUPSTER]

@steelydave

I was looking for some common thread or common indicator for those Vanguard releases.
Not very promising but the closest I came up with are the Stereo recordings that were picked for quad release seem to be anywhere between the numbers : VSD 79318.... to VSD 79350 .

I have a Vanguard Stereo listing from a record sleeve that gives the quad release available* and the relative stereo number .


Unfortunately it does not indicate all the quad albums released .

Going by the quad release numbers I have ;

QUAD ALBUM #...STEREO ALBUM #
VSQ 40001/2 .......VSD 6570/71--JOAN BAEZ, BLESSED ARE
VSQ 40003.............VSD ?--------BUFFY SAINTE MARIE , MOONSHOT
VSQ 40004/5 .........VSD 27/28 .......COUNTRY JOE AND THE FISH , FROM HAIGHT ASHBURY TO WOODSTOCK
VSQ 40006..............VSD. ? ............LARRY CORYELL , AT THE VILLAGE GATE
VSQ 40007/8 ........VSD ? ............PETER SCHICKELE , WURST OF PDQ BACH
VSQ 400013 ..........VSD 79319.....LARRY CORYELL , OFFERING
VSQ 400016...........VSD 79335 .....PETER SCHICKELE , THE INTIMATE PDQ BACH
VSQ 400020............VSD ? .....BUFFY SAINTE MARIE , QUIET PLACES
VSQ 400031............VSD 79341 ....OREGON , DISTANT HILLS
VSQ 400032............VSD 79332 .....JOAN BAEZ , GREATEST HITS
VSQ 400033/34.......VSD 53/54....THE CLANCY BROTHERS , GREATEST HITS
VSQ 400035 ............VSD ? .........STOMU YAMASH'TA , RED BUDDHA
VSQ 400036.............VSD 79342 ....LARRY CORYELL , THE ELEVENTH HOUSE
VSQ 400039/40........VSD 61/62 ....GEORGE FEYER , PLAYS ESSENTIAL GERSHWIN

VSD 71212 (SINGLE INVENTORY) -CHRISTMAS EVE AT THE CATHEDRALOF ST JOHN THE DIVINE , RICHARD WESTENBURG CONDUCTOR , DAVID PIZARRO ORGANIST AND MATER CHOIRIST FOR CATHEDRAL BOY'S CHOIR

UNRELEASED--

VSQ 400027 .......VSD 79340 ......BUFFY SAINTE MARIE , NATIVE NORTH AMERICAN CHILD -AN ODESSEY
VSQ 4000 ? .........VSD 79326 ......OREGON , MUSIC OF ANOTHER PRESENT ERA
VSQ 400026 ........VSD 79336 ......THE SIEGEL SCHWALL BAND , THE BEST OF
VSQ 400018 .........VSD ? ..............AL ANDERSON , AL ANDERSON
VSQ 400012..........VSD 6578.........SANDY BULL , DEMOLITION DERBY
VSQ 40009............VSD 79318........CLEAN LIVING , CLEAN LIVING
VSQ 400025 ...........VSD 79334 .......CLEAN LIVING , MEADOW MUFFIN
VSQ 400023 ............VSD ? ............LARRY CORYELL , THE REAL GREAT ESCAPE
VSQ 400021 ............VSD 79331 .....THE COUNTRY GENTLEMAN , THE COUNTRY GENTLEMAN
VSQ 400010 ............VSD ? ...........BOB FRANK , BOB FRANK
VSQ 400024 ............VSD 79333 ....KINKY FREIDMAN , SOLD AMERICAN
VSQ 400043 ............VSD 79348 ...COUNTRY JOE MACDONALD, COUNTRY JOE
VSQ 400042 ............VSD 79346 ...MAX MORATH , SINGS IRVING BERLIN *
VSQ 400015 ............VSD 79326 ....OREGON , MUSIC OF ANOTHER PRESENT ERA *
VSQ 400045 ............VSD 79350 ...OREGON , WINTER LIGHT *
VSQ 400028 ............VSD 79337 ...SIVUCA (SEVERINO D'OLIVIERA)
VSQ 400022 ............VSD 79328 .....COUNTRY JOE MACDONALD , PARIS SESSIONS

* these may have actual quad releases


QR & Q8# .....STEREO #

VSS 14 , L714 ....VSD 6545 .....COUNTRY JOE AND THE FISH , GREATESTS HITS
VSS 10 , Q8? .....VSD 79286 ...JEAN JACQUES PERRY , THE AMAZING ELECTRONIC SOUNDS OF JJ PERRY
VSS 8 , Q8? ....VSD 79308 ...JOAN BAEZ , DAVID'S ALBUM
VSS 9 , Q8? .........VSD ? ...........BUFFY SAINTE MARIE , ILLUMINATIONS



That's all I could try and correlate with those VSD 793... #'s

Good luck, Steely

fizzywigs41 (what does that mean anyway!)
About this release-
VSQ 400045 ............VSD 79350 ...OREGON , WINTER LIGHT *
I did something unusual recently; and even though certainly not definitive, it leaves me to believe there was never a Quad of this just a rear cover misprint.
I pulled up the listings on discogs and emailed every seller there that were currently selling that version and asked them if they had any copies with the VSQ 400045 number on the front or anywhere other than just the rear cover. And also if they’d ever seen it elsewhere from the past? There were dozens of sellers, and some of them large (probably record store) sellers. Many of them answered and all said they’d never seen that number anywhere other than the rear cover, and some even knew it was an Quad SQ designation. So and had a

 

[jaybird100]

It's part of the Concord Group.
https://concord.com/labels/vanguard-records/

Concord has released some SACD's, so maybe it's time for us to barrage them with emails, asking for more, especially the Vanguard catalog.

 

[humprof]

Concord has released some SACD's, so maybe it's time for us to barrage them with emails, asking for more, especially the Vanguard catalog.

Sadly, IIRC, Concord shut down SACD operations not long after acquiring the Telarc/Heads Up catalog. I could be wrong about that.

 

[fizzywiggs41]

fizzywigs41 (what does that mean anyway!)
About this release-
VSQ 400045 ............VSD 79350 ...OREGON , WINTER LIGHT *
I did something unusual recently; and even though certainly not definitive, it leaves me to believe there was never a Quad of this just a rear cover misprint.
I pulled up the listings on discogs and emailed every seller there that were currently selling that version and asked them if they had any copies with the VSQ 400045 number on the front or anywhere other than just the rear cover. And also if they’d ever seen it elsewhere from the past? There were dozens of sellers, and some of them large (probably record store) sellers. Many of them answered and all said they’d never seen that number anywhere other than the rear cover, and some even knew it was an Quad SQ designation. So and had a

Not all the quad albums were indicated on that (11-77) Vanguard Record Sleeve .
Those that were had (* also available in quad) indicated.
So that Oregon Album I was unsure of so that's why I stated "*may be available in quad" as iit's in amongst one or two actual Quad albums that were released .

 

[fizzywiggs41]

FWIW in December 2020 Concord Records renewed their contract with UMG .

 

[jaybird100]

Sadly, IIRC, Concord shut down SACD operations not long after acquiring the Telarc/Heads Up catalog. I could be wrong about that.

If that's the case, maybe they can make them available to Dutton-Vocalion. If DV is interested, that would be great!

 

[fizzywiggs41]

So to continue I decided to provide artist names, releases , and numbers between
VSD 79310......VSD 79360 ; (Not necessarily in numeric order)

VSD 79353 , LARRY CORYELL , THE RESTFUL MIND
VSD 79345 , LARRY CORYELL , SPACES
VSD 79349 , THE COUNTRY GENTLEMEN , REMEMBERANCES AND FORECASTS
VSD 79317 , THE GREENBRIAR BOYS , BEST OF JOHN HERALD & THE GREENBRIAR BOYS
VSD 79323 , BUDDY GUY , HOLD THAT PLANE
VSD 79327 , MISSISSIPPI JOHN HURT , LAST SESSIONS
VSD 79314 , COUNTRY JOE MCDONALD , HOLD ON-IT'S COMING
VSD 79316 , COUNTRY JOE MCDONALD , INCREDIBLE LIVE
VSD 79358 , OREGON , IN CONCERT
VSD 79352 , SIVUCA , LIVE AT THE VILLAGE GATE
VSD 79355 , CLARK TERRY , LIVE AT THE WITCHITA JAZZ FESTIVAL
VSD 79351, BIG MAMA THORNTON , JAIL
VSD 79354 , BIG MAMA THORNTON , SASSY! MAMA
VSD 79310, JOAN BAEZ , ONE DAY AT A TIME
VSD 79313 , CARRY IT ON (THE ORIGINAL SOUNDTRACK)
VSD 79321 , ROBBIE BASHO , THE VOICE OF THE EAGLE
VSD 79339 , ROBBIE BASHO , ZARTHUS
VSD 79357 , BENNY BELL , SHAVING CREAM
VSD 79356 , YUL BRYNNER , THE GYPSY AND I
VSD 79344 , SADAO WATANABE , ROUND TRIP



That's all folks