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"Tape"!!!???

It was one the first things I got rid of when one of the companies I worked for asked me to maintain their ageing 3 PC computer system 12 years ago. They now have an NAS, 1Gbps networking, five hardwired PC's, a networked A3 printer and 2.4/5/6GHz WiFi. And a back-up protocol...
 
My beloved drobo died about two months ago, and the lack of documentation (why, if they’re going out of business, wouldn’t they at least release the schematics and code?) isn’t helping me troubleshoot (+12V and +5V aren’t turning on to the drives).

I bought a Synology four-banger and populated it with some left-over drives (mostly 1TB), and it filled up pretty quick, although transfers took overnight. I suppose I’ll end up populating thee Synology with the much larger drives from my drobo, but still hoping for a breakthrough.
 
Every time this thread shows up under "New Posts," my first thought is, "Why, Illmatic, of course!"
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"Tape"!!!???

It was one the first things I got rid of when one of the companies I worked for asked me to maintain their ageing 3 PC computer system 12 years ago. They now have an NAS, 1Gbps networking, five hardwired PC's, a networked A3 printer and 2.4/5/6GHz WiFi. And a back-up protocol...
Tape! As I said, a lost art.

Time for an old man’s story. Don’t read if you are not interested, TL/DR and all of that.

The Department of Energy National Lab I worked for had three tape robots holding 10,000 tapes each totaling 600 PBytes of nearline storage back in 2017, surely well past exabytes by now given the increase in tape storage density. In addition to all of the raw and processed data from the Fermilab experiments, it also has a copy of all of the raw and processed data from the CMS experiment at CERN (one of the experiments that found the Higgs Boson). By Federal policy we (and the other National Labs, and NSF/NIH-funded research groups) had to maintain archives of all of those data plus the ability to read and interpret them. In the robot were copies of data, for example, from the Sloan Digital Sky Survey that were written from about 2000-2005 by software I wrote for VME-based Motorola 68040 single board computers running VxWorks.

There was a time when some at the lab, which had used tape going back to mainframe-style and then 8mm (there were a quarter of a million 8mm tapes stored on site when I started there in 1995), advocated going to disk instead, and I worked on a prototype aiming at large banks of FireWire-attached drives that we would spin up on demand (because the power consumption of keeping them spinning in perpetuity was not justified). In the end we concluded that tape is much more secure - tape cartridges all have mechanical “write-lock” slides or tabs or switches that can be set, disk drives lost the read-only jumper back in the early parallel SCSI days. My boss would joke that telling the Secretary of Energy that the data had all been lost because of a software error or a rogue employee would not go over well.

Tape is cheaper than disk. Tape is mechanically more reliable than disk. Tape stored correctly will last 20+ years. Tape data density is similar to disk density (volume wise, and denser weight-wise). Tape is much less susceptible to my human soft errors that sometimes damage file systems and lose data. Tape is more transportable than disk (considerably less fragile and less massive than spinning disk), so I can write a backup and take it to a relative’s house 100 miles away for safe keeping. Enterprise tape has similar streaming bandwidth as disk (my LTO-6 does 160 MB/second, and it is 3 generations behind the latest LTO-9, with each generation increasing rate and density). Tape definitely isn’t for everybody, but it works well for my needs. It is my ultimate guarantee against data loss if one or more of my NAS systems fail, or some software catastrophe occurs.

(As an aside, the project I lead at the high point had designed, built, and operated Infinband-connected Linux clusters spanning over 1500 PCs, and our parallel disk system had a couple of hundred spindles. Quantity, as Stalin noted, has a quality all it’s own. Those 1500 PCs were perhaps 10% of the computer count at the lab. Together with CERN, Fermilab created its own Linux distribution - Scientific Linux - when available distributions were not adequate for our needs.)
 
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As someone with more than a dozen years in charge of data management for a large post-production house (and nearly 25 years in the industry overall) I can say with a good degree of confidence that tape is still by far the best option for long term archival data storage. LTO Ultrium 9 tapes - which are industry-standard in the TV and film industry, and pretty much every other one, as far as I know - hold a minimum of 18TB (and up to 30TB with data compression) per tape and in proper climate-controlled storage will last for years, and most likely decades without needing to be checked or refreshed. I wouldn't trust hard drives (which cost nearly 2x, if not more per TB), optical media or cloud storage to be there in 5 or 10 years if I needed them.
 
Several decades removed now, I can't even say what tape storage unit I used at work. I'm guessing my archives from making and testing rechargeable battery alloys have long since been disposed of or are collecting dust at Eveready.
I worked for the Energizer division back when until cheap labor overseas put us out of business and our plant eventually closed. Almost all of R&D staff were politely shown the door in 2001 with no warning.

The plant was originally built by General Electric in 1964, after many years sold to Gates Energy Products, later became an entity called Moltech with 100 or so investors, and eventually a large share sold to Eveready.
It was a good ride for 13 years for myself. Best, most satisfying job intellectually I ever had.
 
Several decades removed now, I can't even say what tape storage unit I used at work. I'm guessing my archives from making and testing rechargeable battery alloys have long since been disposed of or are collecting dust at Eveready.
I worked for the Energizer division back when until cheap labor overseas put us out of business and our plant eventually closed. Almost all of R&D staff were politely shown the door in 2001 with no warning.

The plant was originally built by General Electric in 1964, after many years sold to Gates Energy Products, later became an entity called Moltech with 100 or so investors, and eventually a large share sold to Eveready.
It was a good ride for 13 years for myself. Best, most satisfying job intellectually I ever had.
You would probably remember if it was old-fashioned 9-track tape, with the big reels whipping forward and back that you see in the movies with big mainframe computers.

The popular data interchange format back in the 80s was “QIC” (quarter inch cartridge). We used the large QIC cartridges (400 MB) to send MEBES optical lithography mask designs to a mask maker, and later we used to get SunOS upgrades on QIC. I also owned a small cartridge QIC drive (120MB) that I bought in 1994 to take my data home after our oil company subsidiary was closed down.

Other than those it could be DECtape (4” open reels), or 4mm or 8mm helical scan tape (both also used for camcorders).
 
You would probably remember if it was old-fashioned 9-track tape, with the big reels whipping forward and back that you see in the movies with big mainframe computers.

The popular data interchange format back in the 80s was “QIC” (quarter inch cartridge). We used the large QIC cartridges (400 MB) to send MEBES optical lithography mask designs to a mask maker, and later we used to get SunOS upgrades on QIC. I also owned a small cartridge QIC drive (120MB) that I bought in 1994 to take my data home after our oil company subsidiary was closed down.

Other than those it could be DECtape (4” open reels), or 4mm or 8mm helical scan tape (both also used for camcorders).
Yeah it was just a cartridge tape. What I was trying to remember was the name of the company that made them. Too many years. Thinking the drive was in my pc.
 
Yeah it was just a cartridge tape. What I was trying to remember was the name of the company that made them. Too many years. Thinking the drive was in my pc.
My QIC was an internal Colorado Trakker purchased at the neighborhood Officemax.

Other QICs were made (or labeled) by IBM, Tandberg, Exabyte, Sun, Compaq, DEC, Wangtek, VTG, and probably a few others.

They were popular at the time (mid 90s) with consumers, along with Zip drives (Iomega!) and optical phase change drives.
 
My QIC was an internal Colorado Trakker purchased at the neighborhood Officemax.

Other QICs were made (or labeled) by IBM, Tandberg, Exabyte, Sun, Compaq, DEC, Wangtek, VTG, and probably a few others.

They were popular at the time (mid 90s) with consumers, along with Zip drives (Iomega!) and optical phase change drives.
Yeah I remember Iomega for sure. IIRC, during one of the business downturns several of the office mucky mucks quit and went to work for them.
 
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