96Khz vs 192Khz

[Owen Smith]

Of the people i know who buy vinyl, none of them do so because they think it sounds better. It all a nostalgia trip for them or they do it for the "cool" factor.

In addition, none of them have a decent system to play their vinyl on. Most have cheap ION or AT USB turntables. A few rely on sound bars.

Half of the buyers have nothing at all to play their vinyl on, they buy them for the artwork or collecting. That's what research in the UK found a couple of years ago. My nephew does this, you can buy frames for hanging standard size vinyl packaging on the wall. He buys trashed second hand vinyl, doesn't care what state the LP is in so long as the outer sleeve is in good condition.

 

[Owen Smith]

See what Neil Young says about digital audio

Doesn't mean he's right, he's as capable of being wrong as the people that think vinyl is the best way to hear an album.

 

[scifi]

Crosby insisted on high-res as the absolute standard for the 2014 release of his fourth career solo album, Croz, especially after hearing the 192-kHz/24-bit remasters Graham Nash produced for last summer’s ear-opening CSNY 1974 box set.

https://www.digitaltrends.com/features/interview-david-crosby-hates-mp3-loves-pono-and-hi-res-audio/

 

[fthesoundguy]

Half of the buyers have nothing at all to play their vinyl on, they buy them for the artwork or collecting. That's what research in the UK found a couple of years ago. My nephew does this, you can by frames for hanging standard size vinyl packaging on the wall. He buys trashed second hand vinyl, doesn't care what state the LP is in so long as the outer sleeve is in good condition.

This is just so fascinating to me but at the same time I get it. I’m totally the other way, I’ll go out of my way to find the all analog version of a record if I can. If not, I just hope it’s from a high quality digital source. No point in buying a record pressed with cd quality.

 

[scifi]

 

[jimfisheye]

People get gaslit from CDs. You buy 300 in a row and every single one sounds shrill and compressed from volume war mastering aesthetic. You conclude that must be the sound of 16 bit, 44.1k audio. That conclusion is very wrong of course! But you can see how that plays out. Then 24 bit and HD formats arrive on the scene and someone experiences a professional mastering job for the first time. Must be the HD!

For all the good or bad along the way, CDs have turned into a calling card for crude loud and shrill mastering. HD releases have turned into a calling card for more professional undamaging mastering. This has little to nothing to do with the formats in question. And you can find plenty of examples that go against the grain. There are excellent sound CDs in lowly 16 bit, 44.1k and there is mutilated volume war hash in 24 bit, 96k or 192k on bluray and download releases. Collecting for best copy of a mix or master is more of a hobby that ever before with some of the novelty releases out there!

I think Neil Young has clearly demonstrated a complete lack of understanding with digital audio as well. It's the mastering jobs handed to the interns he should have been calling out! He's not wrong about how some of this stuff sounds. Just the root cause. I have to say that his Pono reissues (that I downsampled to 96k with SOX without even previewing first) sound better than copies I had before and quite good. If there are better copies out there that I haven't heard then fair enough! Just sayin'. I suspect his Pono player has better DACs than the average iThing too. (Apogee Duet would be a better deal though.) But... Nowadays the DAC quality in just about any half professional device is a moot point. It's solid and not a bottleneck now. 20 years ago it was all or nothing between affordable vs hideously expensive. There might be some ratty cheap USB or HDMI interfaces on Amazon with unbalanced rca jack outputs and such these days to avoid. But any pro device is really solid with this. Other variables account for more. Mix and mastering quality are top of the list. Oh, and the issue with streaming quality on Spotify/etc is most of their sources are volume war edition CDs. That's where the shrill is coming from before it ever hits streaming compression.

click bate version:
There's this trick mastering engineers don't want you to know. It's called a volume control!

 

[scifi]

The jig is up. CDs are dead.

 

[scifi]

www.tinyurl.com/3xduk5kv

192 kHz /24 bit


96 kHz /24 bit

 

[ssully]

That's actually far from clear having read some stuff from the band members since. Everything they've re-issued since has used a different master, why would you do that if you were happy with what was done in 2011?

Maybe they simply weren't 'the client' during that go round.

Do you understand how the music business and mastering business work?

Ludwig has done 'audiophile' as well as 'increase the loudness' mastering. What does that tell you?

 

[ssully]

Doesn't mean he's right, he's as capable of being wrong as the people that think vinyl is the best way to hear an album.

There isn't any question about it; Neil Young has an actual history of ignorant statements about digital technology.

 

[jimfisheye]

Haha. So... see if you can still hear something to do with the sampling rate after gross Youtube compression? Or is the joke around that budget AT cartridge shown there. Nice one!

Yeah I suppose CDs are dead? But volume war hash lives on in select bluray and HDTracks download titles. Preserved in all its harshness in large lossless HD files.

How about those folks posting 32 bit floating point files because they want to announce to everyone that they don't understand that their fixed 24 bit converters are... a 24 bit fixed point source. Now you have people downloading extra large files padded with zeros! Maybe they're "quantum zeros" that are both empty space and magical extra audiophile information a the same time. You know that as soon as you listen to them they turn back to zeros, right? (There's a Schrodinger's cat joke in there somewhere. That wasn't it, but there's one in there.)

 

[4-earredwonder]

The jig is up. CDs are dead.

Yeah just like DVD Video. People are still buying DVDs when even an el cheapo bare basic blu ray player [UNDER 100 bucks] can play not only DVDs [and UPSAMPLE them] but RBCDs as well. Another head scratcher!

 

[ssully]

Crosby insisted on high-res as the absolute standard for the 2014 release of his fourth career solo album, Croz, especially after hearing the 192-kHz/24-bit remasters Graham Nash produced for last summer’s ear-opening CSNY 1974 box set.

https://www.digitaltrends.com/features/interview-david-crosby-hates-mp3-loves-pono-and-hi-res-audio/

How many such useless anecdotes from half deaf old rock stars who did sighted comparisons, do you plan to cite?

 

[LuvMyQuad]

Haha. So... see if you can still hear something to do with the sampling rate after gross Youtube compression? Or is the joke around that budget AT cartridge shown there. Nice one!

That's not a budget cartridge. It looks like a VM-700 series

VM-750 SH

 

[scifi]

Notice how the CD worshipers have to use name calling, insults and wrong assumptions. That shows how low class they are.

 

[Owen Smith]

Yeah I suppose CDs are dead?

CDs are my main format for buying music. I'd prefer to buy hi res Blu Ray, DVD-A/V or SACD (in that order of preference). But the fact remains that for the vast majority of music, CD is the highest resolution format you can buy it on. I don't do streaming, at least not paid for. I do stream BBC radio.

 

[JediJoker]

www.tinyurl.com/3xduk5kv

192 kHz /24 bit


96 kHz /24 bit

Both of which are hosted on YouTube, who use 192kbps MP3 lossy compression at 16-bit/44.1kHz resolution with a brickwall filter at 16kHz. I'm struggling to think of a dumber comparison.

 

[ssully]

This is just so fascinating to me but at the same time I get it. I’m totally the other way, I’ll go out of my way to find the all analog version of a record if I can. If not, I just hope it’s from a high quality digital source. No point in buying a record pressed with cd quality.

This makes me think you don't really know what 'CD quality' is.

44/16 digital audio ('CD quality') offers:
ruler-flat accurate reproduction of frequencies from 0Hz to 20 kHz
perfect pitch stability and channel separation
dynamic range of 96dB

So your complaint isn't really with CD quality. It's with recording and mastering quality, which can be good or bad in any format

 

[ssully]

Notice how the CD worshipers have to use name calling, insults and wrong assumptions. That shows how low class they are.

Is it 'name calling' to call you , and Neil Young, simply wrong?

 

[J. PUPSTER]

This is very entertaining all, please continue