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Chris Gerhard

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My girlfriend paid for a Blu-ray disc from this alledged seller, it was never shipped and PayPal refunded the purchase price. I decided to check back and see how many more times he tried the same routine. What he would do is not ship, then after he receives negative feedback he leaves retaliatory negative feedback, then in a few days offers to mutually withdraw it. Of course he claimed to have shipped her item but had no tracking number. I read his correspondence and knew immediately he was a liar so she did not agree to mutually withdraw the feedback and explained how he works his scam in the feedback left. About that time 4 others had agreed to the mutual withdrawal. Here is his feedback now with over 200 negative feedback left and nothing shipped to each and everyone of them. It is a shame eBay can't stop something like this sooner or PayPal can't stop it before it gets out of hand. I have noticed some bad sellers before, but this guy takes the cake:

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...erid=nanaimoconsignmentstore&ftab=AllFeedback

I thought it might be interesting to show how horribly things can go wrong on eBay. One buyer indicates being out $600.

Chris
 
One of the guys getting stuck calculated the total apparently, who knows how many more couldn't leave negative feedback because his account was terminated before they had a chance. Here is one feedback about halfway through the process where everyone lost the money, so I would guess there was close to $40,000 collected for items not shipped. Quoting from page 9 on August 26, 2007:

"Zero item, Zero communication, Has $18,000.00 of our money from 90 Ebayer's!!"

Chris
 
Looks like all of his past listings have been removed. What a loser. How could he go on that long?
 
Looks like all of his past listings have been removed. What a loser. How could he go on that long?

eBay-Amazon take too strong a "Buyer Beware" posture. The best way to change this is a large lawsuit against them both, forcing them to step-in more quickly and concisely.
 
Ebay could care less about the buyer... they make no money from you. The seller pays listing & final value fees plus ebay makes money off Paypal which they own. Pay for something and didn't get it? Ebay does little if nothing at all. BUT.... don't pay for your item and watch what happens to you. I discovered this after I bid on what I found out later to be pirate... Then I refused to pay the seller, sending him a note that his article was pirate, notified ebay as well and what did it get me? An NPB (Non paying bidder) and negative feedback. He was still selling his crap 6 months later. Local law enforcement do nothing either.

-Bob
 
Ebay could care less about the buyer... they make no money from you. The seller pays listing & final value fees plus ebay makes money off Paypal which they own. Pay for something and didn't get it? Ebay does little if nothing at all. BUT.... don't pay for your item and watch what happens to you. I discovered this after I bid on what I found out later to be pirate... Then I refused to pay the seller, sending him a note that his article was pirate, notified ebay as well and what did it get me? An NPB (Non paying bidder) and negative feedback. He was still selling his crap 6 months later. Local law enforcement do nothing either.

-Bob

I bet if you involve the RIAA then E-bay would move a little quicker on things. :mad:@:
 
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Does anybody know if eBay would consider removing negative feedback left by this jerk? I feel kind of bad that my girlfriend got here lone negative feedback in retaliation from this guy and she got it because of my direction on how to handle him. I told her he would do it when I had her file a PayPal claim and requested she leave negative feedback. She was intimidated by the email he sent which I recognized as coming from someone that is a liar and a cheat. I don't even know how to inquire with eBay on this matter, but his record speaks for itself and her filing a PayPal claim and leaving negative feedback was our way to warn potential bidders, we could have done nothing or agreed to the mutual withdrawal as others had done, but decided to take the hit for the betterment of the eBay community. It may not have helped and ultimately doesn't matter since he was banned before he could continue by retaliating against all of these later eBay buyers that were screwed.

I sure hope the general opinions expressed here that eBay doesn't care about the buyer and won't try to improve things without a lawsuit just isn't correct and eBay is paying attention and will make some improvements.

Chris
 
Chris: Did he open a dispute against your girlfriend for non-payment? If so, then if you go into that thread you'll see somewhere that you can send an email to an actual Ebay person (dispute arbitrator). I am not sure that they can/will take away a neg on the feedback, but for me they did remove a bogus "Non Payment" strike against me when I forwarded him the string of Ebay Mesages I had collected with my jerk. I don't know what you lost but most Ebay Bozos like that seem rely on small skims of a large audience.... Noble, but no one goes to Small Claims Court to recover $50.....even if you ever could identify the Seller. John S.

P.S.- In general, the opinions expressed here about Ebay's commitment to the well being of the Buyer are precise and well reasoned.



Does anybody know if eBay would consider removing negative feedback left by this jerk? I feel kind of bad that my girlfriend got here lone negative feedback in retaliation from this guy and she got it because of my direction on how to handle him. I told her he would do it when I had her file a PayPal claim and requested she leave negative feedback. She was intimidated by the email he sent which I recognized as coming from someone that is a liar and a cheat. I don't even know how to inquire with eBay on this matter, but his record speaks for itself and her filing a PayPal claim and leaving negative feedback was our way to warn potential bidders, we could have done nothing or agreed to the mutual withdrawal as others had done, but decided to take the hit for the betterment of the eBay community. It may not have helped and ultimately doesn't matter since he was banned before he could continue by retaliating against all of these later eBay buyers that were screwed.

I sure hope the general opinions expressed here that eBay doesn't care about the buyer and won't try to improve things without a lawsuit just isn't correct and eBay is paying attention and will make some improvements.

Chris
 
Just so there's a little bit of positive spin on things here...

My wife did get good results from a dispute on Yahoo! Auctions (correct name?). She got ripped off $90 and filed a claim against the seller. Turns out they were running a huge scam. Yahoo! got the Tennessee State Police involved and long story short, the guy's doing time for mail fraud. Never did get our money back but the thought that the seller has new showermates for awhile is good enough for me.
 
Chris: Did he open a dispute against your girlfriend for non-payment? If so, then if you go into that thread you'll see somewhere that you can send an email to an actual Ebay person (dispute arbitrator). I am not sure that they can/will take away a neg on the feedback, but for me they did remove a bogus "Non Payment" strike against me when I forwarded him the string of Ebay Mesages I had collected with my jerk. I don't know what you lost but most Ebay Bozos like that seem rely on small skims of a large audience.... Noble, but no one goes to Small Claims Court to recover $50.....even if you ever could identify the Seller. John S.

P.S.- In general, the opinions expressed here about Ebay's commitment to the well being of the Buyer are precise and well reasoned.


She paid then got her money back after filing a PayPal claim. He just left negative feedback in retaliation for the negative feedback she left after he sent a hateful email. He didn't file a non-paying bidder claim. I can't see anyway to request that eBay remove the negative feedback.

Chris
 
Not sure what you can do on the negative feedback; it's usually mutually withdrawn at best. Check all the FAQs for Square Trade and such.

PayPal does have teeth and I got $60 refunded for eBay DVDs that turned out to be Chinese counterfeits. And this positive result was even after she was no longer a registered eBay seller. Without PayPal I'd have been stuck with them.
 
Ebay may have teeth, but they rarely use it. (n)Got burnt once on turntable that never arrived; kept getting stall emails until the 60-day period to file claim had expired. The guy was from Canada and extremely smooth; a real pro. I learned that one the hard way, but I learned. What I don't understand :mad:@:is how so many people got burnt by this guy? F/B is the first thing you check - I wouldn't touch that guy if he were giving the discs away...really bad news. I think people that are honest/trustworthy really have a hard time believing there are unscrupulous people out there, no matter how many times you see it; you always think it won't happen to you, until it does.
 
Ebay may have teeth, but they rarely use it. (n)Got burnt once on turntable that never arrived; kept getting stall emails until the 60-day period to file claim had expired. The guy was from Canada and extremely smooth; a real pro. I learned that one the hard way, but I learned. What I don't understand :mad:@:is how so many people got burnt by this guy? F/B is the first thing you check - I wouldn't touch that guy if he were giving the discs away...really bad news. I think people that are honest/trustworthy really have a hard time believing there are unscrupulous people out there, no matter how many times you see it; you always think it won't happen to you, until it does.


I think I understand how he did it. Most sales he fulfilled for a long time. Once in a while he would stiff someone, my girlfriend was one of the unlucky and it was never for a large amount, $25 or $50. He used intimidation with hateful emails including lies claiming he shipped the item, aplogizing for shipping it later because of blah, blah, blah. He accused the buyer of receiving the item and then stating the buyer was lying by claiming it hasn't arrived. Most often, no negative feedback was left and sometimes he was able to keep the money by the stall tactic you had used against you. He picked inexperienced eBay users. I have been using eBay too long time, and with the first email, I knew how I wanted to deal with the guy, and I wrote responses to the letters on her behalf. She immediately filed a PayPal claim, received the refund and she allowed me to write the negative feedback, even though I told her he would retaliate which he did. I showed her the previous examples where both he and buyer withdrew the negative feedback, by using the toolhaus site to find negative and neutral feedback. This was how he did things for a couple of years, then with a few weeks of sales, stiffed 100% of buyers for many thousands, I am sure closing his PayPal account and associated checking account and credit card. Now, whether or not he was prosecuted or was a terminal cancer patient or other is completely unknown to me, all I know for certain is how he handled the transaction with my girlfriend and strongly suspect how he handled others based on feedback written.

I had forgotten I want to write eBay a letter and see if the retalitory negative feedback can be removed from girlfriend's otherwise perfect rating. I will do that soon and see what the response is.

If you haven't used Toolhaus, here is the site:

http://www.toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=

Chris
 
Not sure what you can do on the negative feedback; it's usually mutually withdrawn at best. Check all the FAQs for Square Trade and such.

You can actually call ebay at 800-717-3229 and get a REAL person. I had to do this when I bought an LP from a guy and that was advertised as "mint". When I got it, the album looked like the cat danced on it and it had a sticker on the cover not shown in the (he says actual) photo... which I found out later was photoshopped. I wrote back to him and explained that this record was beat and it had a sticker on the cover not shown in the photo. he wrote me a hateful tirade thanking me for insulting his dead father because it was his record and he took care of his records and that I was trying to switch my garbage for his "quality" stuff. Needless to say I blasted this nut case from all angles, got my cash back from VISA (I never pay by bank transfer from PayPal) and then of course I got the negative feedback. He decided to threaten me with court and I was a thief and I sullied his good name, etc. He got my name, number and address from Ebay et al. But they also sent me HIS info as well. I think he dumped in his pants when I called him and told him I only lived about 1/2 hour away and was going to personally go there and make him eat his "quality stuff". He then offered to "work things out with me. I said no dice.
As a side note... he has many negative feedbacks and ALL of them were the same about the buyers were trying to switch their junk for his good stuff.
You just have to beware.

-Bob
 
BOZO alert: got an email "problem with eBay auctions " tonight...(my Steve Miller FLAE + BTO Not Fragile DTS discs)

"The disc pictured below here is like the one you sent me. It is in DTS format but is 4.0 Surround Sound Technology instead of 5.1 picture above. I made my decision to bid and buy based on the text and the picture in your auction ad. You misrepresented the item sold." [for each disc]

"The discs you sent me are worth about half of what I paid. Rather than sending these discs back costing more postage, please send me a refund of $15.00 and I’ll keep these and shop elsewhere for the 5.1 version."

I was so pissed to read this stuff. He's telling me what I'm going to do? Send them back for refund you're looking for something that doesn't exist. I explained how DTS marketing worked their packaging up to the DVD-A cases for DTS discs. The fellow is very mis-informed OR sly trying to put one over on me. Neat huh? I told him to drop by QQ to get staightened out on his facts.
 
BOZO alert: got an email "problem with eBay auctions " tonight...(my Steve Miller FLAE + BTO Not Fragile DTS discs)

"The disc pictured below here is like the one you sent me. It is in DTS format but is 4.0 Surround Sound Technology instead of 5.1 picture above. I made my decision to bid and buy based on the text and the picture in your auction ad. You misrepresented the item sold." [for each disc]

"The discs you sent me are worth about half of what I paid. Rather than sending these discs back costing more postage, please send me a refund of $15.00 and I’ll keep these and shop elsewhere for the 5.1 version."

I was so pissed to read this stuff. He's telling me what I'm going to do? Send them back for refund you're looking for something that doesn't exist. I explained how DTS marketing worked their packaging up to the DVD-A cases for DTS discs. The fellow is very mis-informed OR sly trying to put one over on me. Neat huh? I told him to drop by QQ to get staightened out on his facts.

He’s full of crap. He’s asking for a specific refund amount, rather than what would be fair. That is if there was an actual problem with what he bought. If he’s so stupid as to not know what a DTS-CD is that’s too bad. And yet he seems to think he knows what the discs are worth and wants to keep them. You tried to educate the buyer on the matter. If this buyer tried to file a dispute I’d doubt it would go anywhere.

I once sold a vintage MXR flanger pedal and the buyer couldn’t understand what that noise was when he turned the knob. I told him it was the "flange" sound of what a flanger pedal is supposed to do as anyone who's heard a Van Halen record would know.
 
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Thanks for reply. Exactly, he doesn't know the format so how could he know what they were worth? The bids were $13.50 and $15.50 which I found to be rather shy considering the number of eBayers "watching".

That's funny on the MXR, I can see that happening...
 
BOZO alert: got an email "problem with eBay auctions " tonight...(my Steve Miller FLAE + BTO Not Fragile DTS discs)

"The disc pictured below here is like the one you sent me. It is in DTS format but is 4.0 Surround Sound Technology instead of 5.1 picture above. I made my decision to bid and buy based on the text and the picture in your auction ad. You misrepresented the item sold." [for each disc]

"The discs you sent me are worth about half of what I paid. Rather than sending these discs back costing more postage, please send me a refund of $15.00 and I’ll keep these and shop elsewhere for the 5.1 version."

I was so pissed to read this stuff. He's telling me what I'm going to do? Send them back for refund you're looking for something that doesn't exist. I explained how DTS marketing worked their packaging up to the DVD-A cases for DTS discs. The fellow is very mis-informed OR sly trying to put one over on me. Neat huh? I told him to drop by QQ to get staightened out on his facts.
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A few thoughts:

1) The only place in your ad where 5.1 is mentioned is in the pre-packaged discription that comes from the UPC. This is why I never use this, as the seller may be considered responsible for any errors in this blurb. ("The seller, -------, assumes full responsibility for the content of this listing and the item offered.")

2) Your auction clearly shows and describes the DTS CD. You can't be any plainer.

3) The buyer is using a loophole to try and get a "steal deal". He has been around the eBay quad world for a long time and should know the deal.

4) Mymusicfix thinks this disc is worth a lot more!

TO ME, it's a BULLSHIT CLAIM.
 
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TIM: You are looking for something that doesn't really exist. Do you know what it costs to do a surround mix?
The changes in the artwork were for marketing purposes; these titles were packaged 3 times. The two different DTS "CD" examples you showed and the DVD-A super-jewel boxes. As quad fanatics know, the EXACT same mix and disc were inserted in each of these packages. Go to quadraphonicquad.com (I'm a moderator there) and look up the individual disc reviews. It will detail the source tapes used and details about how they sound in DTS delivery.


JOE: I did not mean to upset you. I am just stating facts. The versions that you sent me are definately the 4.0 mixes from the 70's Quadraphonic days. I have the Quad 8 track tapes to prove this. I also have purchased other 70's album that were first produced in this 4.0 mix format and have been reproduced in 5.1 mixes. All of these 5.1 mixes are packaged with the same black banner as what you pictured in your auction. I know that 5.1 mixes exist for the 2 albums from your auction. I have talked with people that own the 5.1 disc version. Don't tell me that they don't exist. Get your facts straight. Some websites are just peoples opinion and not necessarily fact. I have been buying and listening to Multi-Channeled recordings since 1973. Let's settle this thing and go on. Send me $15.00 and that will end this story. It's only fair.


TIM: Quad listener since June 1972 myself; I know the game. When you used the word "misrepresent" you set me off so I'm just as stubborn about this. You're telling me these were issued twice, first as 4.0 and then again as 5.1?? True, Band On the Run was corrected to restore the 1st 3 guitar notes and the disc is a different color. We have the story and pictures here: https://www.quadraphonicquad.com/QQ-beatles.htm

In 1996, when Mobile Fidelity founder Brad Miller re-energized the surround sound music scene with DTS and the Millennium decoder, one of the first quad titles he went back and resurrected was Band On the Run. First released in a standard sized jewel case, the new technology DTS CD allowed people with modern surround systems to hear the quad mixes that had until then been "lost" in the dead format wasteland of consumer electronics. Once the DVD-Audio format entered the marketplace, the DTS CD was repackaged (above right) in the larger jewel case - however it was NEVER released as a true DVD-Audio disc. All of the larger case discs were still DTS CDs.

FYI - Our forum includes Tad Bartel who was directly involved with procuring titles for DTS from label masters. That's quadraphonicQuad.com. https://www.quadraphonicquad.com/forums/index.php

I offer 100% satisfaction money back guarantee and that's what I'm prepared to do. Return the discs that you feel you were mislead on and we'll call it a day. I'll pay the postage. We're going to wrap this up so that it never even happened. My responsibility is 100% refund as stated in the auction text, NOT to cut deals and argue. Nuff said.


JOE: I went to website, there is no mention of the difference between of the channeling of the McCartney discs. I have both formats of both McCartney discs 4.0 and 5.1. I can here a totally separate sound coming out of the center channel on both 5.1 discs. I hear bass coming out of my subwoofer on both 5.1 discs. There is no center or subwoofer channel on the 4.0 discs. You should have a listen if you have these discs. As for misrepresenting the discs in your ad, you are responsible for what goes into the ad, not ebay. If entering the UPC code does not display what you are selling, you should not post the auction that way. In any case, I’ll send the discs back. I’ll expect the $33.08 I’ve already paid plus the shipping cost to send it back.

TIM: reply will be added when I get home and off webmail (send the damn discs back and I'll refund everything)
 
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TIM: You are looking for something that doesn't really exist.

After reading this thread now I'm curious. Were these titles ever remixed and released in 5.1 with actual information coming out of the center channel? Also, I was aware of the reissue of the Band on the Run to include the missing notes, but was that new mix in 5.1 vs 4.0? I've been around quad since it's invention too, but there has been so much repackaging of this material that I certainly can't keep track of how each version varies from the previous version. I didn't see your actual listings, but I looked at the link Jon provided for Mymusicfix. If the Steve Miller FLAE disc that guy is selling is 4.0 rather than 5.1 I would be confused from his listing. It states, "This is a DTS CD, which features DTS 5.1 Surround Sound technology and is playable on a DTS-capable 5.1 Surround Sound system." Nowhere does it actually say it's a 5.1 mix, but the way it's worded you could certainly easily come to that conclusion if you didn't know any better. So, I can see how people could get confused by the whole "5.1 Surround Sound technology" description. But asking for a discounted price because of it is idiotic. He's either satisfied or unsatisfied with the purchase. Your offer to return it and even refund the shipping seems very fair.
 
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