Jesus fn k -Rist !!
Are you telling us never to trust a Recording Engineer !
Now freddie asks if I had a confirmation on Jim Reeves w/ Bookends ? Well I did not have one (thought QL might know or had info).
So, what the hell I googled, "Jim Reeves Quad Mixes"
and came up with his website, but still no confirm.
then I checked his recording credit "clicked on actually"......and sure enough scrolled down to find his QUADS for Columbia !!
and supplied links for anyone to peruse. (That 2nd link don't work-btw)
What more does one have to do???
Even with the Chicago -first album on Rhino Quadio --is missing Wayne Tarnowski's quad mix credit, do we eliminate him !!?? (It's on the SQ LP )
summation:
I consider anyone who mixed a quad album a "Quads Unsung Heroes" -hero !
I'm not telling anyone to do anything, I'm offering my opinion.
This thread (which I think Adam started on my suggestion) originally started as a way to catalog all of the quad remix credits from album jackets after we spotted Larry Keyes name on a few quad remixes and wondered how many he (and others) had done. At the time we started, I'd say maybe 20% of the quad remix credits were available via web searches and on sites like discogs, etc. I'm not saying I'm the only one who was a major contributor, as lots of people (including Adam, who bought a lot of records just to see what they were like and who remixed them, and zabble, and yourself and others), but I personally spent dozens of hours (probably more like hundreds) trawling through thousands of eBay and discogs listings, cross-referencing with Mark Anderson's surround discography and tracking down every single missing one, and identifying the ones that still needed to be found. Given that there are usually about 6,000 quad listings on eBay at any one time you can appreciate how much time and effort went in to this.
The reason I mention this isn't because I want congratulations - I did it because I was genuinely curious as to who was responsible for all this work and wanted them to get some attention for what they'd done, and I feel like we accomplished that. I also added the quad remix and supervision credits for every release we identified to the appropriate discogs listing so hopefully that information will be there forever, and with the number of sites that scrape that info from discogs it will hopefully spread far and wide.
So in my
opinion this list should take a similar approach as discogs does for music and IMDB does for movies, which is that if you don't have a printed credit you can't claim a credit. The danger, I feel, is that if you start adding loads of stuff that is in the possibly/probably/maybe category, not only do you risk diluting the quality of the verified information (ie the stuff we've found on album jackets), by mixing the two together you also run the risk of having stuff that isn't verified eventually becoming accepted as 100% factually confirmed, when it isn't.
Additionally, part of the reason we started this list (I felt) was so that people who liked the mix on one album could find other albums mixed by the same engineer. When you start adding things that either weren't legitimately released, or are only on the list because someone claimed they were done, you really start to muddy those waters.
As far as Jim Reeves' recollections go, I'm sure they're mostly correct, but can anyone really be 100% on work they did nearly 50 years ago? Are you sure he meant Bookends and not Bridge Over Troubled Water, or that he meant Christmas and The Beads Of Sweat and not Eli & The 13th Confession? Not to mention there seem to have been multiple quad mixes done of some of those early Columbia albums. Furthermore, what's your cutoff point for quad remix claims? Do you add Lee Herschberg for Joni Mitchell's 'Blue' because he mentioned doing a quad test mix of Carey in a 1971 issue of Billboard magazine? Do you start adding Carson Taylor's name to uncredited Capitol quad mixes because he did most of the ones that were credited? I think this is a really slippery slope - I would bet that most of those quad engineers probably did all sorts of things as tests, or things that were shelved etc., and we just happen to know about Jim Reeves because he made a website about it.
If you're going to start adding things that are unconfirmed in print, or unreleased commercially, I would at least denote the fact in square brackets, or even do a seperate list for that stuff. The point of this thread was to shine a light on the guys who mixed all this stuff, and the information carries weight based on the quality of the research. Adding a bunch of unconfirmed information to these guys discographies isn't going to make them look any better than they already are, because they all already have extensive resumes - it's just going to make people question if any of the information is trustworthy at all.
(In my opinion.)
