The answer to your question is yes.Question for this beloved forum.
Can a .m4a file contain Dolby Atmos? This is what the file is showing...
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I'm not sure what the codec info is saying. It looks like 5.1
The answer to your question is yes.Question for this beloved forum.
Can a .m4a file contain Dolby Atmos? This is what the file is showing...
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m4a is simply a container.Question for this beloved forum.
Can a .m4a file contain Dolby Atmos? This is what the file is showing...
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Perhaps someone with enough tech know-how can answer this question that I posted on the Revolver thread:m4a is simply a container.
The codec here is Dolby Digital +, which can carry Atmos metadata.
It shows up as a 5.1 file because lossy Atmos uses 5.1 beds instead of 7.1 beds, from what I understood.
Streaming video is pretty heavily compressed. All consumer digital video formats use lossy compression—even UHD Blu-ray—but to accommodate streaming, the compression is turned up to 11. The bandwidth used for a 4K stream is a mere fraction of the available bandwidth on UHD Blu-ray. Consider that all versions of HDMI, including v1.0, have been multi-gigabit (up to 48Gbps with v2.1). Meanwhile, even single-gigabit Internet connections remain out-of-reach for the majority of consumers. With that in mind, Netflix's maximum streaming bandwidth is 15.25mbps combined for both video and audio. It's no wonder they serve lossy audio, as they must reserve as much bandwidth as possible for video.What I fail to understand is why 4K video will stream just fine, yet something like lossless Dolby Atmos is considered out of reach.
Just skimming this after the fact: at ~37:00 and ~47:00, Christine Thomas, Dolby's "Head of Music Partnerships," says in no uncertain terms that "automated processes" and "upmixing from stereo" are not allowed--although she also says that it's effectively up to the content owners (and, secondarily, to Apple) to do QC and police those policies.Not quite the right thread for this, but new, one-off threads sometimes get overlooked, so...
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I think you may be asking about two different things. When people ask about quad mixes, they are wondering if the master tapes - the original mixdown to 4 channel mix - still exist. Almost every QUAD mix was made 45-55 years ago and, not surprisingly, some have disappeared because they haven’t been used (or even thought about) in 4+ decades.I can not find my answer on what is in my mind. When I read this forum every time I see members talking about quad audio releases in the past, and if the masters tape still exist, because that’s is a requirement? To get in these days a Dolby Atmos mix of that release. Why is that so important?
With all due respect, "Atmos" is explicitly defined at various technical levels, and there really isn't much gray area in that regard. For the folks who haven't the care or don't feel a need to understand Atmos technically, I agree it's just a word with a myriad of connotations."Atmos" ended up being this all-encompassing word that ends up meaning different things to different people.
Atmos is only delivered one way (okay, streaming it has a 5.1 bed, blue-ray a 7.1 bed). I think I understand what the intent is here, but not sure why or how others listen to, or perceive Atmos is important or why it would draw our ire? So long as the audio market continues to eat it up, we can take full advantage of the format in whatever way we are able to, or in the manner we enjoy. But I don't think there are explicit ways to label Atmos for playback. That is entirely up to the system construct / choice of the user.I wish there was clearly different types of Atmos or labels to differentiate the playback uses, ...I get that is kind of the point of the format but I don't like it & never have since I first read about it years ago.
I couldn't agree with you more!Apologies if I missed your point. I do have a hard time understanding a general criticism of Atmos when it is currently driving a surge of multi-channel listening opportunities...it's an extraordinary time for surround sound.
What about Atmos Upmixing stereo and quad music?
New AVRs with Atmos decoders also provide an onboard Atmos upmixer. This is more advanced than previous Dolby upmixer generations. The Atmos operates on stereo, quad, 5.1 and latest 7.1 Dolby TrueHD mix.
The system is capable of steering individual frequency bands from each channel to create up a matrixed Atmos environment based on your speaker configuration. Atmos upmixer will not send redirected content
to speakers between the front left, center, and right speakers in order to minimize the impact on the front stage.
These Atmos enables AVRs typically also do DTS Neural:X upmixing too.
You are correct sully but I'm not sure I ever heard Dolby or anyone else actually referred to itAs I understand it, DSU (the Dolby Surround Upmixer) is part of the Dolby Atmos bundle.
Ok needed are the master tapes. But why are referring many users from this forum to the quad releases forty years ago? Only because they are member a long time of this forum?Creating an atmos mix from a mono, stereo or quad master tape can be done but it requires some artificial extraction of individual instruments - and the results are generally not as crisp or convincing as using the multi-track tapes.
Maybe not so much because we are members of this forum, but because a lot of us started with multichannel music with Quad in the 1970's.Ok needed are the master tapes. But why are referring many users from this forum to the quad releases forty years ago? Only because they are member a long time of this forum?
And I must confess I had never heard before about Quad, only now in this last years because of Dolby Atmos. Listening to surround I do for about 15 years.
My senior project in college was to invent dirt.Yes some of us are older than dirt. lol.
What about Atmos Upmixing stereo and quad music?
New AVRs with Atmos decoders also provide an onboard Atmos upmixer. This is more advanced than previous Dolby upmixer generations. The Atmos operates on stereo, quad, 5.1 and latest 7.1 Dolby TrueHD mix.
You are correct sully but I'm not sure I ever heard Dolby or anyone else actually referred to it
as a "Atmos Upmix" ? LOL. Yes it does try to get a 2ch mix playing to all the base and overhead channels but there's something that personally I've never found very successful subjectively. I could swear my old Marantz Pre/Pro offered the option to upmix a 2ch source to either a Dolby mix using all the base and overhead speakers, or one that only upmixed to the base channels, AFAIR ??? I always choose only the base channels for the upmix but that was my subjective preference. Same thing with DTS, I could swear I use to have the options for either DTS Neural or DTS Neural +X, No more ???
I do still have the choice between Auro 3d and Auro 2d Surround.
So much music, so many options, so little time. LOL
Nice to hear this explanation many thanks.We have fond memories of a lot of the old Quad releases
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