Dolby Atmos Upmixing on the Streaming Services (Unacceptable!)

[stereoptic]

Hi all,

I opened an account just to respond to this thread. I’ll try to do my best to share some insight to the Atmos creation process and present possible solutions. ...


I’m interested to hear your thoughts and ideas how to constructively move forward.

Thanks for taking the time to reply! We try not to shoot the messenger here!
Many of us here have spent decades immersed in some form of surround sound. The news that many of these mixes, as well as some quadraphonic rarities, will finally be available on a wide platform was like a dream come true. it didn't take long for that gift to get soiled.
I understand that the budget is a major factor to produce a proper surround mix. But why bother spending even one penny if all it results in is a sloppy mix? Of course, it is just to be able to slap an 'Atmos' sticker on the album. I would guess that many Apple subscribers will most likely be unaware of the Atmos status since they are either listening through a TV screen or a cell phone. Or worse, they may believe that this is how a surround mix should sound!

 

[humprof]

So I finally performed a brief experiment--which is to say, I tried listening to some of these "fake" tracks on my MacBook Pro and my AirPods Pro (with head tracking) instead of on my 5.1.4 living room system. (For the record: I used the opening tracks of Caroline Shaw & Attaca Quartet's Evergreen and Steve Reich's Runner, along with Aretha Franklin's "Respect," one of the many fake Atmos tracks on 30 Greatest Hits. For comparison, I switched to Caroline Shaw & So Percussion's Let The Soil Play Its Simple Part and Steve Reich's Different Trains (with the London Steve Reich Ensemble), both of which have good-to-excellent Atmos mixes, and Franklin's "Chain of Fools," one of the nine or so songs of hers whose mixes predate this WEA phony-Atmos fiasco.)

To be fair, on AirPods and laptop speakers, the fakes don't sound awful. In fact, they sound vaguely spacious and surroundy, especially on the laptop. (I hasten to add that by comparison, the authentic Atmos tracks sound even more spacious and surroundy, and they offer the illusion of more widely dispersed and specifically placed elements, too.)

So I can't help wondering if this explains how all of these counterfeits are getting past whatever Apple's quality control amounts to--assuming there is any. If you were only casually listening to these tracks on buds or cans or a laptop, you might well be fooled into thinking they were genuinely mixed for Atmos, since they don't sound that much different than the real McCoy, even as they give an impression of being quite a bit different from garden-variety stereo.

 

[humprof]

Yet another random mysterious travesty. Absolutely classic early Chick Corea tune. Absolutely not Atmos.

 

[ssully]

It gets even more baffling, as I posted in the "Listening..." thread. On the pop side, WMG have done some brilliant Atmos mixes for select new releases, even as they bury us with phony Atmos crap from the back catalog. Meanwhile, on the classical side, Warner Classics have actually done all right by some titles from the Angel/EMI and Erato catalogs, even as Nonesuch--whose roster includes prominent contemporary composers like Steve Reich and Caroline Shaw, much of whose work would be really well suited to an adventurous Atmos mix--is now wasting everyone's time with the functional equivalent of all-channel stereo. Who in holy hell is minding the store at Warners? And will someone please explain to them that copying-and-pasting the stereo image from the fronts into the rears, sides, and overheads does not constitute "Atmos"?

You'd be surprised how many posts on QQ over the years have admitted they enjoy listening to stereo tracks in 'all channel stereo' mode.

(To me it sounds poorly, compared to actual upmixing)

 

[humprof]

You'd be surprised how many posts on QQ over the years have admitted they enjoy listening to stereo tracks in 'all channel stereo' mode.

(To me it sounds poorly, compared to actual upmixing)

Nah--I wouldn't be surprised. They probably include one or two of my posts. ACS was my default DSP for a while, too, until I discovered how good the DSU with center spread is. . . .

 

[popshop]

@humprof Mr. Han is back! However, this time he is Alan JS Han! (alanjshan).
Also he posted these, which I believe are real - and you like.
The plot thickens.

 

[humprof]

@humprof Mr. Han is back! However, this time he is Alan JS Han! (alanjshan).
Also he posted these, which I believe are real - and you like.
The plot thickens.

Well, I like Steve Reich, but not these mixes, which don't do his music justice. As far as I can tell, both of them paste the same stereo image into all the other pairs, sometimes with slight changes in EQ or added reverb. (In my post yesterday, however, I confused the issue by mistakenly citing Reich/Richter as having a good Atmos mix. The album I actually had in mind was Different Trains/Piano Counterpoint/Triple Quartet, performed by the London Steve Reich Ensemble. I've gone back and edited that post.)

In spite of my error, though, the Han case really is a mystery, since he is apparently responsible for some genuine Atmos mixes as well as this pile of travesties. For example: I think his name is on the Lake Street Dive albums and on the two Rhiannon Giddens albums that appeared last week?

 

[humprof]

More shameful Schmatmos insults to classic artists. 4 tracks by Los Lobos on this compilation: "Will the Wolf Survive," "One Time One Night," "La Pistola y el Corazon," and "Kiko and the Lavender Moon":

And two random songs by Jeff Buckley, "Once I Was" and "Buzzin' Fly":

 

[mrcond]

More shameful Schmatmos insults to classic artists. 4 tracks by Los Lobos on this compilation: "Will the Wolf Survive," "One Time One Night," "La Pistola y el Corazon," and "Kiko and the Lavender Moon":

Love Los Lobos. Shameful they are not getting proper Atmos treatment. What a waste.

 

[MrSmithers]

I noticed a few more modern releases like Puff Diddy - I'll Be Missing You, Lily Allen - The Fear, Chris Rea - On The Beach / The Road To Hell plus a few more I just can't be arsed to check if they're genuine, as I know they won't be. Utterly bizarre choices that have no excuse to be upmixed... Warner Music are becoming a joke.

 

[Mr. Afternoon]

I noticed a few more modern releases like Puff Diddy - I'll Be Missing You, Lily Allen - The Fear, Chris Rea - On The Beach / The Road To Hell plus a few more I just can't be arsed to check if they're genuine, as I know they won't be. Utterly bizarre choices that have no excuse to be upmixed... Warner Music are becoming a joke.

Becoming?

 

[scooob]

I think there may be a purge underway. I just deleted dozens of tracks from an Apple Music playlist that I created for single surround tracks, that are now only stereo. These covered a wide range of eras and genres but were mostly things added fairly recently, when the flood of Warner fakes started. At least one complete album I had in my library, Tigerlily by Natalie Merchant, also has been reverted to stereo. I decided to do some checking after the Los Lobos tracks reverted, along with a bunch of Aretha Franklin, America, and random others I had come across, and was surprised at how many fake Atmos tracks are now just stereo -- not all, at least yet, but maybe the complaints have finally bubbled up to Warner and/or Apple and are being acted on...

 

[fredblue]

that's great news!! let's hope they eradicate all the fakes for which there's no reasonable excuse.

i'm sticking to my story on this; regarding material Warner don't have multitracks for or even that predates multitrack recording then to me upmixing is fine.

however, if Warner have multi's they ought to use them in their Atmos product.

alternatively, in some of the cases we've seen so far they have existing Quads or 5.1 mixes for those albums and imho they should consider using those mixes if resources/budget's are tight, as has been suggested.

if they don't wish to reissue Quads and 5.1's in straight 4.0/5.1 Dolby Audio then they could utilize those extant mixes as the bed channels in Atmos remixes, as Sony have done with old Quads and 5.1's in 360 Reality Audio.

 

[Cheezmo]

Looks like that is going on. I just reviewed all the Dolby Atmos tracks in my library, the following used to be Atmos but have been removed...

330 tracks, 220 or so are Warner Fakemos added starting in August.

I hope it is forgivable to post a long list like this!

Name Artist Album
Kiko and the Lavender Moon Los Lobos Just Another Band From East L.A.: A Collection
La Pistola y el Corazón Los Lobos Just Another Band From East L.A.: A Collection
One Time One Night Los Lobos Just Another Band From East L.A.: A Collection
Will the Wolf Survíve? Los Lobos Just Another Band From East L.A.: A Collection
Drivin' Wheel Foghat Night Shift (remastered)
Today's the Day America The Complete Greatest Hits
Woman Tonight America The Complete Greatest Hits
Daisy Jane America The Complete Greatest Hits
Tin Man America The Complete Greatest Hits
Lonely People America The Complete Greatest Hits
Another Try America The Complete Greatest Hits
Muskrat Love America The Complete Greatest Hits
Only In Your Heart America The Complete Greatest Hits
Don't Cross the River America The Complete Greatest Hits
Everyone I Meet Is from California (single version) America The Complete Greatest Hits
I Need You America The Complete Greatest Hits
Sandman America The Complete Greatest Hits
I Need You America America (Apple Music)
Draggin' the Line (single version) Tommy James Christian of the World
Mony Mony Tommy James & the Shondells Mony Mony
Crystal Blue Persuasion Tommy James & the Shondells Crimson & Clover
Crimson and Clover Tommy James & the Shondells Crimson & Clover
I'm In Love Aretha Franklin 30 Greatest Hits
Angel Aretha Franklin 30 Greatest Hits
Wholy Holy Aretha Franklin 30 Greatest Hits
Oh Me Oh My (I'm a Fool for You Baby) Aretha Franklin 30 Greatest Hits
Spanish Harlem Aretha Franklin 30 Greatest Hits
Spirit In the Dark Aretha Franklin 30 Greatest Hits
Call Me Aretha Franklin 30 Greatest Hits
Eleanor Rigby Aretha Franklin 30 Greatest Hits
Share Your Love With Me Aretha Franklin 30 Greatest Hits
The Weight Aretha Franklin 30 Greatest Hits
The House That Jack Built Aretha Franklin 30 Greatest Hits
Sweet Sweet Baby (Since You've Been Gone) Aretha Franklin 30 Greatest Hits
Don't Go Yazoo Upstairs at Eric's (Apple Music)
All I Have to Do Is Dream The Everly Brothers The Very Best of The Everly Brothers (Apple Music)
Bye Bye Love The Everly Brothers The Very Best of The Everly Brothers (Apple Music)
Wake Up Little Susie The Everly Brothers The Very Best of The Everly Brothers (Apple Music)
The Rose Bette Midler The Rose (The Original Soundtrack Recording)
My Song Pat Metheny One Quiet Night
Giant Steps (2020 remaster) John Coltrane Giant Steps (2020 Remaster)
Cousin Mary (2020 remaster) John Coltrane Giant Steps (2020 Remaster)
Naima (2020 remaster) John Coltrane Giant Steps (2020 Remaster)
Mr. P.C. (2020 remaster) John Coltrane Giant Steps (2020 Remaster)
When You Dream Barenaked Ladies Stunt (20th anniversary edition)
Some Fantastic Barenaked Ladies Stunt (20th anniversary edition)
Told You So Barenaked Ladies Stunt (20th anniversary edition)
Who Needs Sleep? Barenaked Ladies Stunt (20th anniversary edition)
Never Is Enough Barenaked Ladies Stunt (20th anniversary edition)
In the Car Barenaked Ladies Stunt (20th anniversary edition)
Call and Answer Barenaked Ladies Stunt (20th anniversary edition)
Alcohol Barenaked Ladies Stunt (20th anniversary edition)
Leave Barenaked Ladies Stunt (20th anniversary edition)
I'll Be That Girl Barenaked Ladies Stunt (20th anniversary edition)
Light Up My Room Barenaked Ladies Stunt (20th anniversary edition)
Where I Go Natalie Merchant Tigerlily (Apple Music)
Seven Years Natalie Merchant Tigerlily (Apple Music)
Jealousy Natalie Merchant Tigerlily (Apple Music)
Cowboy Romance Natalie Merchant Tigerlily (Apple Music)
The Letter Natalie Merchant Tigerlily (Apple Music)
I May Know the Word Natalie Merchant Tigerlily (Apple Music)
River Natalie Merchant Tigerlily (Apple Music)
Beloved Wife Natalie Merchant Tigerlily (Apple Music)
Wonder Natalie Merchant Tigerlily (Apple Music)
San Andreas Fault Natalie Merchant Tigerlily (Apple Music)
How You Gonna See Me Now Alice Cooper From the Inside
You and Me Alice Cooper Lace and Whiskey
I Never Cry Alice Cooper Alice Cooper Goes to Hell
Desperado Alice Cooper Killer
Be My Lover Alice Cooper Killer
Tell Me What I Gotta Do Al Jarreau L Is for Lover (Apple Music)
What You Do to Me Al Jarreau Heaven and Earth
After All Al Jarreau High Crime
Teach Me Tonight Al Jarreau Breakin' Away
Roof Garden Al Jarreau Breakin' Away
Trouble In Paradise Al Jarreau Jarreau
Black and Blues Al Jarreau Jarreau
There Is a Light That Never Goes Out The Smiths The Queen Is Dead (Apple Music)
The NeverEnding Story Limahl The NeverEnding Story (Original Motion Picture Soundtrack)
Right Down the Line Gerry Rafferty City to City
Everything That Touches You The Association Birthday
Time for Livin' The Association Birthday
"Cherish (2017 remaster for 192, remastered)" The Association And Then... Along Comes The Association (remastered)
"Shimmy, Shimmy, Ko-Ko-Bop" Little Anthony & The Imperials The Greatest Hits of Little Anthony and the Imperials
On Broadway The Drifters Under the Boardwalk
Believe Cher Believe
All or Nothing Cher Believe
Strong Enough Cher Believe
Dov'è L'amore Cher Believe
Only Women Bleed Alice Cooper Welcome to My Nightmare (Apple Music)
Welcome to My Nightmare Alice Cooper Welcome to My Nightmare (Apple Music)
White Christmas The Drifters Let the Boogie-Woogie Roll: Greatest Hits 1953-1958
As Long as We Got Each Other (theme from 'Growing Pains') B.J. Thomas with Dusty Springfield Midnight Minute
Splish Splash Bobby Darin Bobby Darin
Mack the Knife Bobby Darin That's All
Beyond the Sea Bobby Darin That's All
West End Girls Pet Shop Boys Please (Apple Music)
Little Child Runnin' Wild Curtis Mayfield Superfly (Soundtrack from the Motion Picture)
Pusherman Curtis Mayfield Superfly (Soundtrack from the Motion Picture)
"Freddie's Dead (Theme from ""Superfly"")" Curtis Mayfield Superfly (Soundtrack from the Motion Picture)
Give Me Your Love (Love Song) Curtis Mayfield Superfly (Soundtrack from the Motion Picture)
Eddie You Should Know Better Curtis Mayfield Superfly (Soundtrack from the Motion Picture)
No Thing On Me (Cocaine Song) Curtis Mayfield Superfly (Soundtrack from the Motion Picture)
Think (Instrumental) Curtis Mayfield Superfly (Soundtrack from the Motion Picture)
Superfly Curtis Mayfield Superfly (Soundtrack from the Motion Picture)
Smokin' In the Boys Room Brownsville Station Yeah!
Such a Night Dr. John In the Right Place
You're Beautiful James Blunt Back To Bedlam
We Are Family (1995 Remaster) Sister Sledge We Are Family (1995 Remaster)
Theme From Superman (concert version) John Williams & London Symphony Orchestra Superman: The Movie (Soundtrack from the Motion Picture) [Deluxe]
Earthquake Graham Central Station Now Do U Wanta Dance
The Jam Graham Central Station Ain't No 'Bout-A-doubt It
Send in the Clowns Judy Collins Judith (Apple Music)
Devil With the Blue Dress On / Good Golly Miss Molly Mitch Ryder & The Detroit Wheels All Mitch Ryder Hits!
Disco Inferno The Trammps Disco Inferno
Cathy's Clown The Everly Brothers A Date With The Everly Brothers
What's the Matter Here "10,000 Maniacs" In My Tribe (Apple Music)
Trouble Me "10,000 Maniacs" Trouble Me / The Lion's Share [Digital 45] - Single
These Are Days (live) "10,000 Maniacs" "MTV Unplugged: 10,000 Maniacs"
Eat for Two (live) "10,000 Maniacs" "MTV Unplugged: 10,000 Maniacs"
Candy Everybody Wants (live) "10,000 Maniacs" "MTV Unplugged: 10,000 Maniacs"
Like the Weather (live) "10,000 Maniacs" "MTV Unplugged: 10,000 Maniacs"
Trouble Me (live) "10,000 Maniacs" "MTV Unplugged: 10,000 Maniacs"
No Way Out Jefferson Starship Nuclear Furniture (Apple Music)
Six to Four George Benson Breezin' (Apple Music)
Affirmation George Benson Breezin' (Apple Music)
So This is Love? George Benson Breezin' (Apple Music)
Lady George Benson Breezin' (Apple Music)
Cold Hard Bitch Jet Get Born (Deluxe Edition)
Look What You've Done Jet Get Born (Deluxe Edition)
My Skin Natalie Merchant Ophelia
There Goes My Baby The Drifters The Very Best of Ben E. King
Mornin' Al Jarreau Jarreau
Soul Man Sam & Dave Soul Men
Brass In Pocket Pretenders Pretenders (expanded edition)
Pinch Me Barenaked Ladies Maroon (20th anniversary deluxe edition)
Kind and Generous Natalie Merchant Ophelia
Rapper's Delight The Sugarhill Gang The Showdown: The Sugarhill Gang Vs. Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five
Rubberband Man The Spinners Happiness Is Being With the Spinners
Games People Play The Spinners Pick of the Litter
One of a Kind (Love Affair) The Spinners Spinners
Make It With You Bread Bread On the Waters
Windy The Association Insight Out (Remastered)
If Ever You're in My Arms Again Peabo Bryson Straight from the Heart
Mustang Sally Wilson Pickett The Wicked Pickett
Save the Last Dance for Me The Drifters Save the Last Dance for Me
Aubrey Bread The Best of Bread (Apple Music)
Guitar Man Bread The Best of Bread (Apple Music)
If Bread The Best of Bread (Apple Music)
Diary Bread The Best of Bread (Apple Music)
I Don't Want to Wait (album version) Paula Cole This Fire
Where Have All the Cowboys Gone? (album version) Paula Cole This Fire
In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida Iron Butterfly In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida
A Beautiful Morning The Rascals Time Peace: The Rascals' Greatest Hits
People Got to Be Free The Rascals Freedom Suite
We May Never Pass This Way (Again) Seals & Crofts Diamond Girl
Summer Breeze Seals & Crofts Summer Breeze
Dueling Banjos Eric Weissberg & Steve Mandell Dueling Banjos
I'd Love You to Want Me Lobo I'd Love You to Want Me
Tiny Bubbles Don Ho Tiny Bubbles
Cool Jerk The Capitols Dance the Cool Jerk
Dream Weaver Gary Wright The Dream Weaver
Along Comes Mary (remastered) The Association The Essentials
Never My Love The Association Insight Out (remastered)
Hanky Panky Tommy James & the Shondells Hanky Panky
I Think We're Alone Now Tommy James & the Shondells I Think We're Alone Now
Today's the Day America Hideaway
Ain't No Way Aretha Franklin 30 Greatest Hits
"Tighten Up, Pt. 1 (LP version)" The Drells & Archie Bell Tighten Up
Cut the Cake (single edit) Average White Band Cut the Cake
This Magic Moment The Drifters & Ben E. King All-Time Greatest Hits & More (1959-1965)
(You Make Me Feel Like) A Natural Woman Aretha Franklin Love Songs
St. Elmos Fire (Man In Motion) John Parr St. Elmo's Fire (Original Motion Picture Soundtrack)
Under My Wheels Alice Cooper Killer
Day Dreaming Aretha Franklin "Young, Gifted and Black"
Don't Play That Song Aretha Franklin Spirit In the Dark
Until You Come Back to Me (That's What I'm Gonna Do) Aretha Franklin Let Me In Your Life
There's a Rugged Road Judee Sill Heart Food
Could It Be I'm Falling in Love The Spinners Spinners
Bittersweet Big Head Todd & The Monsters Sister Sweetly
"Rapper's Delight (7"" single version)" The Sugarhill Gang The Essentials: The Sugarhill Gang
"Hallelujah, I Love Her So" Ray Charles Ray Charles
Mess Around Ray Charles Ray Charles
I Got a Woman Ray Charles Ray Charles
Groovin' The Young Rascals Groovin' (mono)
What Can I Do? The Corrs Talk On Corners
Runaway The Corrs "Forgiven, Not Forgotten"
Breathless The Corrs In Blue
"Wild, Wild West" The Escape Club "Wild, Wild West"
When a Man Loves a Woman Percy Sledge When a Man Loves a Woman
I Only Have Eyes for You The Flamingos "Doo Wop Classics, Vol. 1"
Charlie Brown The Coasters Rockabilly Mania
Yakety Yak The Coasters R&B Hits
Renegade Styx "20 #1's: Classic Rock, Vol. 2"
Good Lovin' The Young Rascals The Young Rascals
I Got You Babe (Mono Version) Sonny & Cher Look At Us
Both Sides Now Judy Collins Wildflowers
You Sexy Thing Hot Chocolate Hot Chocolate
Thin Line Between Love and Hate The Persuaders Thin Line Between Love & Hate: Golden Classics
"Hold On, I'm Comin'" Sam & Dave "Hold On, I'm Comin' (Apple Music)"
Diamond Girl Seals & Crofts Diamond Girl
Carnival Natalie Merchant Tigerlily (Apple Music)
Land of 1000 Dances Wilson Pickett The Exciting Wilson Pickett
In the Midnight Hour Wilson Pickett In the Midnight Hour
Son of a Preacher Man Dusty Springfield Dusty In Memphis (Deluxe Edition)
La Bamba Los Lobos La Bamba (Original Motion Picture Soundtrack)
Slow Ride (single version) Foghat The Essentials: Foghat
Fool for the City Foghat Fool for the City (remastered)
The Light Is On Christopher Cross Christopher Cross (Apple Music)
Poor Shirley Christopher Cross Christopher Cross (Apple Music)
Say You'll Be Mine Christopher Cross Christopher Cross (Apple Music)
Spinning Christopher Cross Christopher Cross (Apple Music)
Never Be the Same Christopher Cross Christopher Cross (Apple Music)
Ride Like the Wind Christopher Cross Christopher Cross (Apple Music)
Minstrel Gigolo Christopher Cross Christopher Cross (Apple Music)
One Week Barenaked Ladies Stunt (20th anniversary edition)
It's All Been Done Barenaked Ladies Stunt (20th anniversary edition)
The Locomotion Little Eva Llllloco-Motion
I Wanna Sex You Up Color Me Badd I Wanna Sex You Up
I Say a Little Prayer Dionne Warwick The Dionne Warwick Collection: Her All-Time Greatest Hits
Walk On By Dionne Warwick Make Way for Dionne Warwick
Cat's In the Cradle Harry Chapin Verities & Balderdash (Apple Music)
Green Onions Booker T. & The M.G.'s Green Onions (Apple Music)
Boogie Shoes KC and the Sunshine Band The Best of KC and the Sunshine Band
I'm Your Boogie Man KC and the Sunshine Band "KC and the Sunshine Band, Pt. 3...And More"
Keep It Comin' Love KC and the Sunshine Band "KC and the Sunshine Band, Pt. 3...And More"
Get Down Tonight KC and the Sunshine Band The Best of KC and the Sunshine Band
Think Aretha Franklin feat. Blues Brothers The Blues Brothers (Original Soundtrack Recording)
Everybody Needs Somebody to Love Blues Brothers The Blues Brothers (Original Soundtrack Recording)
"Glory of Love (theme from ""the Karate Kid, Pt. II"")" Peter Cetera Solitude / Solitaire (Apple Music)
The Next Time I Fall (with Amy Grant) Peter Cetera & Amy Grant Solitude / Solitaire (Apple Music)
Time Passages Al Stewart Time Passages
Think Aretha Franklin Aretha Now
See Saw Aretha Franklin Aretha Now
You Send Me Aretha Franklin Aretha Now
Hello Sunshine Aretha Franklin Aretha Now
I'm Eighteen Alice Cooper Love It to Death (Apple Music)
Is It My Body Alice Cooper Love It to Death (Apple Music)
Ballad of Dwight Fry Alice Cooper Love It to Death (Apple Music)
Pick Up the Pieces Average White Band AWB
I Never Loved a Man (The Way I Love You) Aretha Franklin I Never Loved a Man the Way I Love You (Mono)
"Baby, Baby, Baby" Aretha Franklin I Never Loved a Man the Way I Love You (Mono)
Dr. Feelgood (Love Is Serious Business) Aretha Franklin I Never Loved a Man the Way I Love You (Mono)
"Do Right Woman, Do Right Man" Aretha Franklin I Never Loved a Man the Way I Love You (Mono)
Save Me Aretha Franklin I Never Loved a Man the Way I Love You (Mono)
A Change Is Gonna Come Aretha Franklin I Never Loved a Man the Way I Love You (Mono)
If You Love Somebody Set Them Free Sting The Dream of the Blue Turtles (Apple Music)
Love Is The Seventh Wave Sting The Dream of the Blue Turtles (Apple Music)
Russians Sting The Dream of the Blue Turtles (Apple Music)
Children's Crusade Sting The Dream of the Blue Turtles (Apple Music)
Shadows in the Rain Sting The Dream of the Blue Turtles (Apple Music)
We Work The Black Seam Sting The Dream of the Blue Turtles (Apple Music)
Consider Me Gone Sting The Dream of the Blue Turtles (Apple Music)
The Dream Of The Blue Turtles Sting The Dream of the Blue Turtles (Apple Music)
Moon Over Bourbon Street Sting The Dream of the Blue Turtles (Apple Music)
Fortress Around Your Heart Sting The Dream of the Blue Turtles (Apple Music)
One Night Love Affair Bryan Adams Reckless (30th anniversary)
She's Only Happy When She's Dancin' Bryan Adams Reckless (30th anniversary)
Run to You Bryan Adams Reckless (30th anniversary)
Heaven Bryan Adams Reckless (30th anniversary)
Somebody Bryan Adams Reckless (30th anniversary)
Summer of '69 Bryan Adams Reckless (30th anniversary)
Kids Wanna Rock Bryan Adams Reckless (30th anniversary)
Long Gone Bryan Adams Reckless (30th anniversary)
Ain't Gonna Cry Bryan Adams Reckless (30th anniversary)
Let Me Down Easy Bryan Adams Reckless (30th anniversary)
"Teacher, Teacher" Bryan Adams Reckless (30th anniversary)
The Boys Night Out Bryan Adams Reckless (30th anniversary)
Draw the Line Bryan Adams Reckless (30th anniversary)
Play To Win Bryan Adams Reckless (30th anniversary)
Too Hot to Handle Bryan Adams Reckless (30th anniversary)
Reckless Bryan Adams Reckless (30th anniversary)
Remember (Live At Hammersmith Odeon/1985) Bryan Adams Reckless (30th anniversary)
The Only One (Live At Hammersmith Odeon/1985) Bryan Adams Reckless (30th anniversary)
It's Only Love (Live At Hammersmith Odeon/1985) Bryan Adams Reckless (30th anniversary)
Kids Wanna Rock (Live At Hammersmith Odeon/1985) Bryan Adams Reckless (30th anniversary)
Long Gone (Live At Hammersmith Odeon/1985) Bryan Adams Reckless (30th anniversary)
Cuts Like a Knife (Live At Hammersmith Odeon/1985) Bryan Adams Reckless (30th anniversary)
Lonely Nights (Live At Hammersmith Odeon/1985) Bryan Adams Reckless (30th anniversary)
Tonight (Live At Hammersmith Odeon/1985) Bryan Adams Reckless (30th anniversary)
This Time (Live At Hammersmith Odeon/1985) Bryan Adams Reckless (30th anniversary)
The Best Was Yet To Come (Live At Hammersmith Odeon/1985) Bryan Adams Reckless (30th anniversary)
Heaven (Live At Hammersmith Odeon/1985) Bryan Adams Reckless (30th anniversary)
Run To You (Live At Hammersmith Odeon/1985) Bryan Adams Reckless (30th anniversary)
Somebody (Live At Hammersmith Odeon/1985) Bryan Adams Reckless (30th anniversary)
Straight From the Heart (Live At Hammersmith Odeon/1985) Bryan Adams Reckless (30th anniversary)
Summer of '69 (Live At Hammersmith Odeon/1985) Bryan Adams Reckless (30th anniversary)
It's Only Love Bryan Adams & Tina Turner Reckless (30th anniversary)
King Florence + the Machine Dance Fever (Apple Music Edition)
Free Florence + the Machine Dance Fever (Apple Music Edition)
Choreomania Florence + the Machine Dance Fever (Apple Music Edition)
Back In Town Florence + the Machine Dance Fever (Apple Music Edition)
Girls Against God Florence + the Machine Dance Fever (Apple Music Edition)
Dream Girl Evil Florence + the Machine Dance Fever (Apple Music Edition)
Prayer Factory Florence + the Machine Dance Fever (Apple Music Edition)
Cassandra Florence + the Machine Dance Fever (Apple Music Edition)
Heaven Is Here Florence + the Machine Dance Fever (Apple Music Edition)
Daffodil Florence + the Machine Dance Fever (Apple Music Edition)
My Love Florence + the Machine Dance Fever (Apple Music Edition)
Restraint Florence + the Machine Dance Fever (Apple Music Edition)
The Bomb Florence + the Machine Dance Fever (Apple Music Edition)
Morning Elvis Florence + the Machine Dance Fever (Apple Music Edition)
King (poem version) Florence + the Machine Dance Fever (Apple Music Edition)
My Love (poem version) Florence + the Machine Dance Fever (Apple Music Edition)
Cassandra (poem version) Florence + the Machine Dance Fever (Apple Music Edition)
What Am I to You (first sessions outtake) Norah Jones Feels Like Home
Asking for a Friend CHVRCHES Screen Violence
He Said She Said CHVRCHES Screen Violence
California CHVRCHES Screen Violence
Violent Delights CHVRCHES Screen Violence
Final Girl CHVRCHES Screen Violence
Good Girls CHVRCHES Screen Violence
Lullabies CHVRCHES Screen Violence
Nightmares CHVRCHES Screen Violence
Better If You Don't CHVRCHES Screen Violence
How Not to Drown CHVRCHES & Robert Smith Screen Violence
More Than This (feat. Michael Marquart) A Bad Think Lifelike
Too Far Gone (feat. Michael Marquart) A Bad Think Lifelike
Stay On A Bad Think Lifelike
Don't Wanna Know (feat. Becca Byram) A Bad Think Lifelike
Sign of the Times A Bad Think Lifelike
Strapped to the Wheel A Bad Think Lifelike
Remember to Forget A Bad Think Lifelike
The Same Old Dream A Bad Think Lifelike
It Never Gets Old A Bad Think Lifelike
I Didn't Know A Bad Think Lifelike
Look at You Now A Bad Think Lifelike
Never Look Down A Bad Think Lifelike
Nothing Left to Say A Bad Think Lifelike
"Bad Case of Loving You (Doctor, Doctor)" Robert Palmer Secrets (Expanded Edition)

 

[humprof]

that's great news!! let's hope they eradicate all the fakes for which there's no reasonable excuse.

i'm sticking to my story on this; regarding material Warner don't have multitracks for or even that predates multitrack recording then to me upmixing is fine.

however, if Warner have multi's they ought to use them in their Atmos product.

alternatively, in some of the cases we've seen so far they have existing Quads or 5.1 mixes for those albums and imho they should consider using those mixes if resources/budget's are tight, as has been suggested.

if they don't wish to reissue Quads and 5.1's in straight 4.0/5.1 Dolby Audio then they could utilize those extant mixes as the bed channels in Atmos remixes, as Sony have done with old Quads and 5.1's in 360 Reality Audio.

Cautiously optimistic here. Thanks to @scooob, @Cheezmo, and everyone else documenting this in real time.

Regarding the bolded text in @fredblue's post: I'd sign on to that, as long as the upmixing technique makes use of--at a minimum--Penteo and Izotope (or their more advanced equivalents). You gotta at least try to spread out the soundfield and isolate specific sounds, right? It'd be great if AES or somebody could come up with some voluntary standards & practices for Atmos mixing.

 

[fredblue]

Looks like that is going on. I just reviewed all the Dolby Atmos tracks in my library, the following used to be Atmos but have been removed...

330 tracks, 220 or so are Warner Fakemos added starting in August.

I hope it is forgivable to post a long list like this!

Excellent news!!

 

[PurpleMoustache]

Interesting that the Chvrches album got pulled as that was one of the first "big new release" albums at the launch of "Spatial Audio" iirc

 

[LennonCobain]

Looks like that is going on. I just reviewed all the Dolby Atmos tracks in my library, the following used to be Atmos but have been removed...

330 tracks, 220 or so are Warner Fakemos added starting in August.

I hope it is forgivable to post a long list like this!

I’d have more hope if the Atmos mixes had also been removed from Tidal.

 

[humprof]

Interesting that the Chvrches album got pulled as that was one of the first "big new release" albums at the launch of "Spatial Audio" iirc

I hope Apple isn't just doing a blanket withdrawal of all WEA Atmos mixes. Better they should follow the example of record labels--like, say, Panegyric and DGM--who would send out "beta" copies of their products for advance testing and QC to a panel of QQ eminences grises. Pretty sure all those guys are still around and available . (Although they might not all have Atmos rigs. . . .)

 

[Cheezmo]

I hope Apple isn't just doing a blanket withdrawal of all WEA Atmos mixes. Better they should follow the example of record labels--like, say, Panegyric and DGM--who would send out "beta" copies of their products for advance testing and QC to a panel of QQ eminences grises. Pretty sure all those guys are still around and available . (Although they might not all have Atmos rigs. . . .)

Aretha Franklin is a good one to watch as some of those are good Atmos mixes and some are the upmix style, it does appear that only the upmixes have been removed as some of hers are still up, I just haven't checked carefully.