Listening to now (In Surround!) - Volume 1

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Breezin' - George Benson (DVD-A).

Transformed by simply moving my rear speakers further away, or rather further behind my sweet spot/pref'd listening position.

I always felt this was mixed too 'wet' with too much duplicated reverb of the front L & R in the rears.. well, whaddyaknow, moving the rears further away from my ears has improved things enormously!

I suspect this was mixed for huge American living rooms (lounges?) rather than tiny London flats (apartments!).. or the studio Al Schmitt mixed it in was massive with the rears far away from their position at the desk..!? or the studio was just seriously acoustically over-damp(en)ed with no reverb or life of its own at all.. !?!? I guess that's what all the best mixing folks strive for?? "neutral"..?

anyway, bottom line = I need a bigger room to fully take you in George..!! :yikes ....but still I like you a lot more in surround when I move your reverbed rears away from me!

Also, it strikes me for the first time, listening to this really carefully and critically for the first time in a good while (possibly scrutinising everything more closely than ever) there's not an awful lot going on instrumentally from song to song, so maybe that's why things like strings are upfront in the mix in Front L&R rather than the more logical (preferred) rears.. because without them there it'd be too sparse upfront??

Why did they not showcase George's voice by having it hard into the centre on "This Masquerade"?

Or they could have gone for a more discrete Quad-like approach by having George's guitar phantom-centre image really strongly and have the rhythm section solely front L & R, there's too often too much bass going on in the centre channel here for my liking. There's occasional tambourine bashes & other percussion in the rears which is nice but its all a bit tame. It needs a crazy old quad pan round the room kinda mix to really liven it up..!!

How I wish Elliot Scheiner had got his hands on this instead and performed the surround wonders he did with Grover Washington Jr.'s "Winelight"... now that's how to do smooth surround and keep it exciting..!!

I think I'll shove that on next :friday:
 
Also, it strikes me for the first time, listening to this really carefully and critically for the first time in a good while (possibly scrutinising everything more closely than ever) there's not an awful lot going on instrumentally from song to song, so maybe that's why things like strings are upfront in the mix in Front L&R rather than the more logical (preferred) rears.. because without them there it'd be too sparse upfront??

Why did they not showcase George's voice by having it hard into the centre on "This Masquerade"?

Or they could have gone for a more discrete Quad-like approach by having George's guitar phantom-centre image really strongly and have the rhythm section solely front L & R, there's too often too much bass going on in the centre channel here for my liking. There's occasional tambourine bashes & other percussion in the rears which is nice but its all a bit tame. It needs a crazy old quad pan round the room kinda mix to really liven it up..!!

How I wish Elliot Scheiner had got his hands on this instead and performed the surround wonders he did with Grover Washington Jr.'s "Winelight"... now that's how to do smooth surround and keep it exciting..!!

I think I'll shove that on next :friday:

oh and "Down Here On The Ground" is still my favourite number in surround on this disc, after all these years..

..possibly because there's a little bit more happening in it?

Can't be.. there's nothing more instrumentally than anywhere else on the album (though this song of course wasn't on the original LP).

So there's Piano, George's gorgeous guitar, his voice, there's conga's/bongo's/timbales (I've no idea which!? eek..) and the rhythm section (drummer's playing the heck out of his skins, I'll tell you that!)... so it can't just be there's enough (at last) for a decent bit of 5.1 action, when everything else here is too small-scale/limiting?

Bah.. I give up! Next..!!
 
NP: Marvin Gaye Collection SACD. Not having a single Motown album in my entire Surround, CD, of even MP3 collection this is something I would never, ever have considered buying if not for QQ. Which is odd considering I know just about every single song on the album! Superb surround mix and enjoying it very much, even more so as the other half is listening to it too. Nice one, Fred! ;)
 
NP: Marvin Gaye Collection SACD. Not having a single Motown album in my entire Surround, CD, of even MP3 collection this is something I would never, ever have considered buying if not for QQ. Which is odd considering I know jut about every single song on the album! Superb surround mix and enjoying it very much, even more so as the other half is listening to it too. Nice one, Fred! ;)

Nice one! Delighted you're both enjoying it! (y)

The W.A.F. (*) is always a bonus! ;)

Its why I've got things like "Train", "Incubus", "3 Doors Down", "Beyonce", "Destiny's Child", "Kelly Rowland", "Bon Jovi", "Pink", "Britney Spears", "Five For Fighting", "Switchfoot" and "Crowded House" in surround.. to please the other half and justify buying some of these surround things..!!! :eek:

(*) W.A.F. = Wife Approval Factor....!! :D
 
Nice one! Delighted you're both enjoying it! (y)

The W.A.F. (*) is always a bonus! ;)

Its why I've got things like "Train", "Incubus", "3 Doors Down", "Beyonce", "Destiny's Child", "Kelly Rowland", "Bon Jovi", "Pink", "Britney Spears", "Five For Fighting", "Switchfoot" and "Crowded House" in surround.. to please the other half and justify buying some of these surround things..!!! :eek:

(*) W.A.F. = Wife Approval Factor....!! :D



....Ok, I confess, the Britney, Pink & Beyonce were my idea..!!!!! :ugham:
 
NP: The Flaming Lips "At War With the Mystics" DVD-A. First time of hearing and I absolutely love it! Completely bonkers, hi-fidelity surround mayhem. Brilliant.
 
NP: The Flaming Lips "At War With the Mystics" DVD-A. First time of hearing and I absolutely love it! Completely bonkers, hi-fidelity surround mayhem. Brilliant.

"You think you're so radical
I think you oughta stop
(Say what)
But you're going international
They're gonna call the cops
(No, no, no)
You're turning into
A poor man's Donald Trump
I know those circumstances
Make you wanna jump
Oh no

You think you're radical
But you're not so radical
In fact, you're fanatical
Fanatical"

:51banana:
 
Nice one! Delighted you're both enjoying it! (y)

The W.A.F. (*) is always a bonus! ;)

Its why I've got things like "Train", "Incubus", "3 Doors Down", "Beyonce", "Destiny's Child", "Kelly Rowland", "Bon Jovi", "Pink", "Britney Spears", "Five For Fighting", "Switchfoot" and "Crowded House" in surround.. to please the other half and justify buying some of these surround things..!!! :eek:

(*) W.A.F. = Wife Approval Factor....!! :D

Thats to funny, I have picked up a few W.A.F.'s as well and is reason why I just ordered Classical Quintett and Parsons Thibaud.
From the ones you listed, I have Crowded House,Bon Jovi. Are most of the others dual disk's and how many of those are Dvd Audio on the 5.1. side?
Reason why I ask is now that I listen to Dvd Audio's in the car am looking for more titles that I might have over looked as I did not pickup the dual disk's when they came out as many people were complaining that they did not play in their dvd players, so I stayed away. The 3 Doors Down and Switchfoot are ones i would be most interested in, do they sound ok?
 
Thats to funny, I have picked up a few W.A.F.'s as well and is reason why I just ordered Classical Quintett and Parsons Thibaud.
From the ones you listed, I have Crowded House,Bon Jovi. Are most of the others dual disk's and how many of those are Dvd Audio on the 5.1. side?
Reason why I ask is now that I listen to Dvd Audio's in the car am looking for more titles that I might have over looked as I did not pickup the dual disk's when they came out as many people were complaining that they did not play in their dvd players, so I stayed away. The 3 Doors Down and Switchfoot are ones i would be most interested in, do they sound ok?

There are 2 x DVD-A DualDiscs of 3 Doors Down albums:
1.) "Away From The Sun"
(also on SA-CD and Non-DualDisc DVD-A),
2.) "Seventeen Days" (DVD-A DualDisc only).
Both good mixes and both sound great.

There's 2 x Switchfoot DualDiscs:
1.) "The Beautiful Letdown"
(Dolby Digital DualDisc, also on SA-CD),
2.) "Nothing Is Sound"
(Dolby Digital DualDisc only, not DVD-A).
Again they're both decent, well worth checking out - not the most stunning 5.1 but solid.
The Bob Clearmountain 5.1 mixes (about half the album) on "Nothing Is.." are excellent.
 
Of the other wife-approved ones I mentioned.. ;)

Train - "My Private Nation" (SA-CD & Dolby Digital DualDisc),
Incubus - "A Crow Left Of The Murder" (SA-CD & Dolby Digital DualDisc).

Neither of these two are amazing but are both much better 5.1 mixes and fidelity (I only have the SA-CDs) than their online reputations suggest.

Beyonce - "Crazy In Love"
(Excellent Surround; Europe only SA-CD),

Destiny's Child - "Survivor"
(Another great surround mix SA-CD),

Destiny's Child - "Destiny Fulfilled"
(Great sound for Dolby Digital, DualDisc & great 5.1 mix),

Kelly Rowland - "Simply Deep"
(SA-CD, not an amazing album but a brilliant 5.1 mix),

Bon Jovi -
2 x SA-CDs : "This Left Feels Right" & "Bounce"
+ 2 x DVD-A's : "Slippery When Wet" & "Have A Nice Day".

Pink - "I'm Not Dead"
(superb 5.1 DualDisc, great sound for Dolby standards),

Five For Fighting - "America Town"
(excellent 5.1 mix, SA-CD only).

There's another Five For Fighting album in surround (on DualDisc - "The Battle For Everything") but I've not got round to buying it yet.
 
Yo-Yo Ma Plays Ennio Morricone

Possibly, my favourite Surround disc ? Some of the most beautiful, gorgeous & emotive music, I've ever had the pleasure to listen to !
For those of you that don't have this disc, or have never considered it, I strongly recommend buying. ( i'm not a huge classical / soundtrack fan, but i'd defy anyone not to be moved by this masterpiece ! )
 
Yo-Yo Ma Plays Ennio Morricone

Possibly, my favourite Surround disc ? Some of the most beautiful, gorgeous & emotive music, I've ever had the pleasure to listen to !
For those of you that don't have this disc, or have never considered it, I strongly recommend buying. ( i'm not a huge classical / soundtrack fan, but i'd defy anyone not to be moved by this masterpiece ! )

Thanks for the great feedback, Rob! (y)

Been on my SA-CD.net wishlist for ages.. but I keep forgetting about it!! :eek:
 
Thanks for the great feedback, Rob! (y)

Been on my SA-CD.net wishlist for ages.. but I keep forgetting about it!! :eek:

Thanks Adam, it's still easily available. Like most surround soundtracks, there's basically just ambient sound from the rears, but what comes out of the other speakers, more than makes up for it ! The music does fill the room. For me, Morricone is a musical genius, and Yo-Yo Ma is the icing on the cake !
I'm baffled why there's three 6 votes in the poll thread, an insult & injustice, to what I personally hear. It's an essential SACD/MC purchase !
 
Thanks Adam, it's still easily available. Like most surround soundtracks, there's basically just ambient sound from the rears, but what comes out of the other speakers, more than makes up for it ! The music does fill the room. For me, Morricone is a musical genius, and Yo-Yo Ma is the icing on the cake !

I'm baffled why there's three 6 votes in the poll thread, an insult & injustice, to what I personally hear. It's an essential SACD/MC purchase !

I think you've hit the nail on the head. It's not a sonic spectacular from a Surround SACD perspective. But the music and performances are excellent. A favorite SACD here as well.
 
Is it good, Adam ? Way out of my ( even for me !! ) price range, at £99 !! :yikes

I've literally only played it once, I got it in a bundle of discs so there was a lot coming in to listen to at the time.. paid nowhere near 99 quid btw (not even half that) where'd you get that daft price? amazon?

anyway i recall the sound quality itself was great but the surround mix wasn't so amazing.. but seemed sympathetic to the material.. i remember being a bit disappointed by its "subtlety" in surround but impressed by the contents.. but I need to give it another listen or two & report back.
 
I've literally only played it once, I got it in a bundle of discs so there was a lot coming in to listen to at the time.. paid nowhere near 99 quid btw (not even half that) where'd you get that daft price? amazon?

anyway i recall the sound quality itself was great but the surround mix wasn't so amazing.. but seemed sympathetic to the material.. i remember being a bit disappointed by its "subtlety" in surround but impressed by the contents.. but I need to give it another listen or two & report back.

Thanks Adam, for the feedback. Yes it's on Amazon, new & sealed. The prices are crazy !!
 
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