Listening to Now (In Surround) - Volume 2

[4-earredwonder]

2 great Quad albums, which I gladly rebought.

I also bought a Japan RBCD w/only an expanded version of Deodato Live (w/o Airto, phooey!)

Thanks to the folks at Slingerland, I got to meet Airto Moriera and get instruction and insight. Slingerland was taken over many years ago by Ludwig.

Correct me if I'm wrong, Linda, but I think Michael Dutton did a credible job of synthesizing the rear channels for Deodato/Airto LIVE in Concert from the stereo analogue masters since the QUAD originals no longer exist. Could you elaborate on the original QUAD mix having owned the QUAD LP.

It must have been a trip meeting Airto ..... appears to be an interesting dude.

 

[4-earredwonder]

 

[Quad Linda]

Airto's a character. Good man and talented beyond belief! Lots of anecdotes about other "moosicians."

I have my LP of Identity (where that photo graced the cover), and my LP of Touching Me, Touching You autographed. I also brought my copy of a 2LP set of his Buddah albums. He wouldn't autograph it. Said he received no royalties and wasn't even aware that 2 LP release existed! He wouldn't autograph it, and I don't blame him.

Wonderful memories.

I bought Fingers on SQ, and Deodato/Airto on Q8, and on 2 copies of Japan CD. One the aforementioned Deodato only (expanded), and a Japan CD of Deodato/Airto. I also rebought Fingers on Japan CD. Bought the SACD you have, too.

Admittedly, I have never tried to SQ decode the Japan CD's. So, I haven't a/b'ed them to the Quads. I believe that any or all LATER copies of these LP's and their CD releases are the same as SQ LP's. Likely the change happened when Motown was distributing CTI. The early CTI LP releases were 2ch if NOT marked as SQ Quad. Motown distributed LP's should reference SQ in the deadwax. They are labeled as stereo on jacket. Other than decoding them, I don't know another way to determine if CTI CD's are encoded. I've not seen a reference to Quad on CD's.

I thought the Quad mixes were good though not the most active mixes. I've not a/b'ed the Quads to the SACD, either. The performances are superb!

 

[sjcorne]

I think Michael Dutton did a credible job of synthesizing the rear channels for Deodato/Airto LIVE in Concert from the stereo analogue masters since the QUAD originals no longer exist. Could you elaborate on the original QUAD mix having owned the QUAD LP.

The Deodato/Airto live album on the SACD is not an upmix from stereo. It's an SQ matrix decode, just like the original quad vinyl - the key difference being that D-V worked from the 15 IPS SQ-encoded master tape used to cut the quad LPs. The quad 8-track tape sourced from the discrete 4-channel master (which no longer exists) is definitely more 'discrete', but D-V's SQ decode does credibly replicate the more-pronounced rear channel placements (loud percussion in the left rear speaker during "Tropea Whirlwinds", for instance).

 

[hwkn]

Jethro Tull-A

 

[Quad Linda]

In addition to SQ & Q8, Deodato/Airto was on Quad Reel
CTRQ-6041 (QR)

Fingers was also released as
CTQR-6028 (QR),
4D-19 (CD4) [Japan]

Thought I recalled these other release, so I checked Mark Anderson's handy/dandy list. Thanks, Mark, for all you do.

http://www.surrounddiscography.com/quaddisc/quadpall.htm

The Deodato/Airto live album on the SACD is not an upmix from stereo. It's an SQ matrix decode, just like the original quad vinyl - the key difference being that D-V worked from the 15 IPS SQ-encoded master tape used to cut the quad LPs. The quad 8-track tape sourced from the discrete 4-channel master (which no longer exists) is definitely more 'discrete', but D-V's SQ decode does credibly replicate the more-pronounced rear channel placements (loud percussion in the left rear speaker during "Tropea Whirlwinds", for instance).

 

[steelydave]

The QR of Deodato & Airto Live is mentioned as "also available" on the back of the LP jacket, but there's no evidence it was ever actually released. I don't know a single collector who has one, or even anyone who's even seen one in the wild, so it's my belief it was never released. D-V spent about a year trying to find a copy of the consumer reel to no avail as well, when it became clear that the discrete quad master tape (nor any suitable safety copy) couldn't be found or was no longer with us.

 

[cbmmm3]

could never understand why Art is not smiling in this photo

 

[Quad Linda]

Dave, you're likely aware that those CTI masters have changed hands a few times.

I believe Mark Anderson that they exist, although they may never turn up. Rare QR's.

Artie likely wanted to look disinterested and/or peeved. Hence, the Breakaway title. The song itself really isn't saying that, but what the hell...

 

[J. PUPSTER]

could never understand why Art is not smiling in this photo

He's saying "See how cool I am; gotta fine mama on either side of me." Buy my album!

 

[steelydave]

Dave, you're likely aware that those CTI masters have changed hands a few times.

I believe Mark Anderson that they exist, although they may never turn up. Rare QR's.

Artie likely wanted to look disinterested and/or peeved. Hence, the Breakaway title. The song itself really isn't saying that, but what the hell...

CTI had different distributors early on, including Motown (who got the Grover Washington, Jr. CTI masters in a court settlement after CTI and Motown sued each other for breach of contract) but their tapes only really changed hands once. When CTI went into bankruptcy in 1978, Creed Taylor did a deal with Columbia whereby they'd fund and distribute new CTI records (which is where you get the late '70s stuff like Patti Austin, Nina Simone's Baltimore and the Fuse One albums) and in exchange CBS got the rights to the CTI back catalogue. Obviously CBS was eventually bought by Sony 15 or 20 years later, but they're still technically the owners of the tapes as a subsidiary of Sony Music Entertainment Ltd.

As for the QR of Deodato & Airto Live, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, because I think even the rarest things show up at least once in a while, or at the very least a picture or proof does. I don't want to put words in @Mark Anderson 's mouth but I feel like he'll probably tell you the source for the existence is the information on the back cover of the LP too (and whatever record catalog listings were spawned from that) and not from anyone reporting 'object-in-hand' proof of its existence.

 

[fizzywiggs41]

Even more strange than Motown ....did anyone know that , RCA Canada distributed the CTI/KUDU stereo SQ albums.

 

[Audiowannabee]

King Crimson
In the Court of the Crimson King
DVDA

 

[Audiowannabee]

Kansas
Absence of Presence
Blu ray 5.1

 

[4-earredwonder]

Johnnie Taylor EARGASM and RATED EXTRAORDINAIRE [Vocalion/QUAD SACD]

 

[Mark Anderson]

As for the QR of Deodato & Airto Live, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, because I think even the rarest things show up at least once in a while, or at the very least a picture or proof does. I don't want to put words in @Mark Anderson 's mouth but I feel like he'll probably tell you the source for the existence is the information on the back cover of the LP too (and whatever record catalog listings were spawned from that) and not from anyone reporting 'object-in-hand' proof of its existence.

Correct and also the 1st edition of Quad Incorporated. I have not seen a copy of EUMIR DEODATO & AIRTO MOREIRA -Deodato, Airto in Concert on reel.
It is probably time to move it to the not released discography unless someone posts here with actual proof.

 

[4-earredwonder]

Correct and also the 1st edition of Quad Incorporated. I have not seen a copy of EUMIR DEODATO & AIRTO MOREIRA -Deodato, Airto in Concert on reel.
It is probably time to move it to the not released discography unless someone posts here with actual proof.

As far as you know, Mark, are there any more unreleased CTI/Kudu QUAD albums which UK's Dutton Vocalion has not released as of yet?

 

[Quad Linda]

After a quick search, I find no pix of QR's of either title.

Thanks again, Mark, for all you do!!

 

[Mark Anderson]

AIRTO MOREIRA -Fingers. CTI CTRQ-6028 (QR) exists

 

[fizzywiggs41]

Correct and also the 1st edition of Quad Incorporated. I have not seen a copy of EUMIR DEODATO & AIRTO MOREIRA -Deodato, Airto in Concert on reel.
It is probably time to move it to the not released discography unless someone posts here with actual proof.

Not quite .

It is listed in The Quad Incorporated catalog on page 53 . And a quick check on the corrections page of The Quad Incorporated Supplement shows it has not been deleted , nor corrected .