markshan
1K Club - QQ Shooting Star
Could that be due to imperfect matrix conversion? I don't know which system the quad LP used.
HiRez Poll Pink Floyd - WISH YOU WERE HERE [Blu-Ray Audio]
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Could that be due to imperfect matrix conversion? I don't know which system the quad LP used.
the Quad LP was SQ matrix encoded,
differences from the discrete presentation quite likely imho.
Here's two specific things 'wrong' with the two mixes.
'Welcome to the Machine' is the showpiece. You'd think the mixer would pull out all the stops for that one.
On the 4.0, the piercing synth leads fly off into the ether. They don't pierce. They mildly poke at best. That's wrong.
On the 5.1, they start in the rear channels and remain nice and solid, but kind of just present themselves from there. And the vocals, all centered, are too recessed (I'm guessing they are front left/right, rather than mixed into the center)
For god's sake, it's *surround sound*, couldn't you fly the synth around the speakers even once? WTF? Go listen to some Flaming Lips mixes, Mr. Guthrie.
(Though I will say, the EQ really is vastly better on the 5.1 than the 4.0. I wonder if the tape heads were properly aligned for the quad transfer.)
'Welcome to the Machine' is the showpiece. You'd think the mixer would pull out all the stops for that one.
On the 4.0, the piercing synth leads fly off into the ether. They don't pierce. They mildly poke at best. That's wrong.
On the 5.1, they start in the rear channels and remain nice and solid, but kind of just present themselves from there. And the vocals, all centered, are too recessed (I'm guessing they are front left/right, rather than mixed into the center)
For god's sake, it's *surround sound*, couldn't you fly the synth around the speakers even once? WTF? Go listen to some Flaming Lips mixes, Mr. Guthrie.
(Though I will say, the EQ really is vastly better on the 5.1 than the 4.0. I wonder if the tape heads were properly aligned for the quad transfer.)
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markshan
1K Club - QQ Shooting Star
10 for the 4.0 mix on the BD. I'll try the 5.1 some day. If it's better than the 4.0 I'll be VERY impressed.
The 4.0 is awesome. Makes a boring album (in stereo, IMO) fairly interesting to me, all throughout.
The 4.0 is awesome. Makes a boring album (in stereo, IMO) fairly interesting to me, all throughout.
hobie1dog
500 Club - QQ All-Star
I love multi-channel and this disc.
HugoPhyrst
Well-known Member
I went all in with this Immersion set a few years ago. I still love it - wish The Wall was given this treatment. Great music AND great mixes! 10!
9 because they refuse to release this outside of an expensive box of random stuff.
Is the 5.1 any good? Haven't seen much of a consensus - I thought Gutherie's 5?1 DSOTM was at best a pale imitation of the quad with the surround channels gutted.
Wish You Were Here in quad is almost as good as Dark Side in quad, though. Who did this mix, it wasn't Alan Parsons right?
Is the 5.1 any good? Haven't seen much of a consensus - I thought Gutherie's 5?1 DSOTM was at best a pale imitation of the quad with the surround channels gutted.
Wish You Were Here in quad is almost as good as Dark Side in quad, though. Who did this mix, it wasn't Alan Parsons right?
Brian Humphries.
Listening to and comparing the Quad and 5.1 versions of this album again, I think I need to lower my vote slightly, giving each mix an 8. The 5.1 is a much more subtle surround experience, but presents the music in much better fidelity giving me the same experience I remember growing up, as I endlessly listened to my "24 kt gold" cd on headphones. The quad is fantastic in terms of discrete surround activity, but there are elements and fidelity lacking in the mix that make my enjoyment of the songs hit and miss. For example, the epic guitar solo in the second half of "Shine On You Crazy Diamond" is buried in the mix in the quad version, but really shines in the 5.1. The song "Wish You Were Here" in quad bums me out every time I hear it because of the missing guitar solo in the middle and the buried outro solo. Today I created my own "Frankenstein" version of the album that I can live with:
Shine On You Crazy Diamond- I used the 5.1 versions and merged them into a single 25 minute song. Epic.
Welcome To The Machine - Used the quad version but made some tweaks including adding an LFE channel so the room rumbles during the "machine" sounds (my dogs freak out, lol)
Have A Cigar - Used the quad version- perfect as is
Wish You Were Here - Used the quad version, but spliced in the guitar solo sections of the front channels from the 5.1 Guthrie mix
Edit: On second thought, I'll leave my vote as is... getting 2 good Floyd mixes on the same disc deserves a bump to 9
Shine On You Crazy Diamond- I used the 5.1 versions and merged them into a single 25 minute song. Epic.
Welcome To The Machine - Used the quad version but made some tweaks including adding an LFE channel so the room rumbles during the "machine" sounds (my dogs freak out, lol)
Have A Cigar - Used the quad version- perfect as is
Wish You Were Here - Used the quad version, but spliced in the guitar solo sections of the front channels from the 5.1 Guthrie mix
Edit: On second thought, I'll leave my vote as is... getting 2 good Floyd mixes on the same disc deserves a bump to 9
The56Kid
2K Club - QQ Super Nova
Would love to hear your Frankenstein mix, Sean!Listening to and comparing the Quad and 5.1 versions of this album again, I think I need to lower my vote slightly, giving each mix an 8. The 5.1 is a much more subtle surround experience, but presents the music in much better fidelity giving me the same experience I remember growing up, as I endlessly listened to my "24 kt gold" cd on headphones. The quad is fantastic in terms of discrete surround activity, but there are elements and fidelity lacking in the mix that make my enjoyment of the songs hit and miss. For example, the epic guitar solo in the second half of "Shine On You Crazy Diamond" is buried in the mix in the quad version, but really shines in the 5.1. The song "Wish You Were Here" in quad bums me out every time I hear it because of the missing guitar solo in the middle and the buried outro solo. Today I created my own "Frankenstein" version of the album that I can live with:
Shine On You Crazy Diamond- I used the 5.1 versions and merged them into a single 25 minute song. Epic.
Welcome To The Machine - Used the quad version but made some tweaks including adding an LFE channel so the room rumbles during the "machine" sounds (my dogs freak out, lol)
Have A Cigar - Used the quad version- perfect as is
Wish You Were Here - Used the quad version, but spliced in the guitar solo sections of the front channels from the 5.1 Guthrie mix
Edit: On second thought, I'll leave my vote as is... getting 2 good Floyd mixes on the same disc deserves a bump to 9
Found this at amazon UK today for 48.70 GBP..seemed like a very fair price..thought I'd pass it on..great deal on the immersion box if you don't have t already.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wish-You-W...1&qid=1605199644&sprefix=sacd,aps,554&sr=8-19
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wish-You-W...1&qid=1605199644&sprefix=sacd,aps,554&sr=8-19
windhoek
The Phoolosopher
Thanks, I've ordered one as I'm keen to hear the quad mix. I've no idea when that'll happen as my hifi is out of action due to ongoing home improvements and decorating, so it might just have to wait till Christmas time
Similar price at Amazon US ($62.99):
https://www.amazon.com/Wish-You-Were-Here-Immersion/dp/B004ZNAUVW/
Owen Smith
2K Club - QQ Super Nova
Ordered, thanks for the heads up.
Thanks, I've ordered one as I'm keen to hear the quad mix. I've no idea when that'll happen as my hifi is out of action due to ongoing home improvements and decorating, so it might just have to wait till Christmas time
It'll be worth the wait..I listen to it regularly..demo worthy
I have the SACD 5.1 wish you were here and thinking about purchasing the Wish you were here Immersion box set for the Quad mix. Is the Quad 5.1 Blu ray mix in the Immersion box set worth purchasing if you have the James Guthrie mix already? I have the Dark Side of the Moon Immersion Blu ray box set and greatly prefer the Quad mix : Is the Quad Wish you were Here mix as great an upgrade from the James Guthrie 5.1 Wish you were Here mix? Opinions seem to be mixed on the forum.
Nyad
Well-known Member
Personally I prefer the Quad mix of WYWH to the Quad mix of DSOTM, there are extended pieces of music, more detail, as to whether it's worth the cost, that's another matter. All in all it was pleasantly surprising listening to the differences and more immersive (psychoactively) P.S. I also have the 5.1 which I never listen to. There are whole threads over at Steve Hoffman .tv on this very thing.
Unfortunately, one of the biggest "extended pieces of music" has been removed from the Blu-ray version.
Nyad
Well-known Member
Yes, I did read that, not having access to the orig Quad recordings, I didn't miss it. Was there ever any explanation for the tinkering?
