Porcupine Tree's "Fear Of A Blank Planet" is Coming - Again, Deluxe Box Set w Blu Ray

[knifeman]

Take a few minutes to read the thread and you will learn that it is not possible to remix these mid-2000's PT albums due to the software that was used when producing them. Certainly an oversight on SW's part, but hey, who can predict the future...

So, I'm assuming In Absentia and Deadwing were recorded on old school tape, whereas FOABP was entirely in an older digital realm, allowing Atmos mixes of the earlier albums but not the latter. I would never have considered that and was curious why this didn't include an Atmos mix. That's interesting.

 

[minimumtumbleweed]

So, I'm assuming In Absentia and Deadwing were recorded on old school tape, whereas FOABP was entirely in an older digital realm, allowing Atmos mixes of the earlier albums but not the latter. I would never have considered that and was curious why this didn't include an Atmos mix. That's interesting.

No, I don't think so. I'm pretty sure those were done digitally as well, and I don't think it's likely we will see Atmos mixes of either of those. And I know there were issues with the even older albums that would make it difficult even to develop a 5.1 (e.g. The Sky Moves Sideways, Signify).

 

[gorman]

if you Google conversion from SD2 some of the replies mention having fully functioning older Pro Tools stations just to address older projects

Exactly the point I raised above. Probably more a matter of a return on the needed investment than anything else. I think sooner or later we'll see Stupid Dream, Lightbulb Sun, In Absentia, Deadwing, Fear of a Blank Planet and The Incident in Atmos. I'd bet money on this. They're all available in 5.1 already and between the above (can't believe that you can't replicate a working ProTools 1999 workstation today) and the continuing progress on AI, if there will be the will (this might be a big if, I don't know), the rest will come.

EDIT: somehow the forum's software made miss the last two comments before mine. @minimumtumbleweed don't you think that with AI and the already existing 6 discrete channels available a talented engineer could manage to do a good job? Even though my main point of doubt remains on "can't work with old ProTools anymore".

 

[minimumtumbleweed]

Exactly the point I raised above. Probably more a matter of a return on the needed investment than anything else. I think sooner or later we'll see Stupid Dream, Lightbulb Sun, In Absentia, Deadwing, Fear of a Blank Planet and The Incident in Atmos. I'd bet money on this. They're all available in 5.1 already and between the above (can't believe that you can't replicate a working ProTools 1999 workstation today) and the continuing progress on AI, if there will be the will (this might be a big if, I don't know), the rest will come.

EDIT: somehow the forum's software made miss the last two comments before mine. @minimumtumbleweed don't you think that with AI and the already existing 6 discrete channels available a talented engineer could manage to do a good job? Even though my main point of doubt remains on "can't work with old ProTools anymore".

AI isn't magic. Do I believe that something could be made? I mean, sure. Maybe a glorified upmix. I'm skeptical that SW would want that. I agree that to me it seems crazy that so much can be lost because of some defunct extension to an old software package. You'd think even through a virtual machine running an old OS or something you'd be able to circumvent that. I'm not familiar enough with music production software. I'd say look at the evidence though: All these albums, and other 2000's albums of his as well, such as Blackfield I and II, are long overdue for a remix, and yet none of them have been. That's pretty telling to me.

 

[mandrix]

I was told by a very experienced DVD-A author, that to run the Sonic tools he had to maintain a Windows XP "time machine" for the software to be fully functional, and that it did not work in a virtual machine.
discWelder still works in Win11, but it is nowhere as capable as Sonic and has some "gotcha's" when dealing with graphics.

My point being, whether or not those old session files from early PT can be salvaged I have no clue. It may take a similar approach, or just may be considered too much hassle to attempt.

 

[DrKlahn]

Exactly the point I raised above. Probably more a matter of a return on the needed investment than anything else. I think sooner or later we'll see Stupid Dream, Lightbulb Sun, In Absentia, Deadwing, Fear of a Blank Planet and The Incident in Atmos. I'd bet money on this. They're all available in 5.1 already and between the above (can't believe that you can't replicate a working ProTools 1999 workstation today) and the continuing progress on AI, if there will be the will (this might be a big if, I don't know), the rest will come.

EDIT: somehow the forum's software made miss the last two comments before mine. @minimumtumbleweed don't you think that with AI and the already existing 6 discrete channels available a talented engineer could manage to do a good job? Even though my main point of doubt remains on "can't work with old ProTools anymore".

I didn't get the impression that the people offering conversion services were charging anything insane. I would guess it's just time more than anything. I don't have any doubt we can get Atmos mixes of these albums the way Steven wants them. It's just when will he set aside time to tackle it? That's why I thought he should get an intern. Set them lose to track down and convert all the elements, and then Steven does the engineering work when he gets around to it. Hopefully sooner rather than later. None of us are getting any younger

 

[gorman]

That's why I thought he should get an intern. Set them lose to track down and convert all the elements, and then Steven does the engineering work when he gets around to it.

I volunteer!

 

[knifeman]

No, I don't think so. I'm pretty sure those were done digitally as well, and I don't think it's likely we will see Atmos mixes of either of those. And I know there were issues with the even older albums that would make it difficult even to develop a 5.1 (e.g. The Sky Moves Sideways, Signify).

My mistake. I was thinking In Absentia and Deadwing deluxe editions included Atmos mixes. And I own both of them. Must be that age thing.

 

[mandrix]

My mistake. I was thinking In Absentia and Deadwing deluxe editions included Atmos mixes. And I own both of them. Must be that age thing.

I resemble that remark. lol. Indeed, age does play some at times cruel tricks on the memory.
Why can I assemble a picture of standing outside, in C Fl of all places, sometime in the '50's, when I saw snow for the first time, and now not recall where my darn phone is?

 

[Perp]

…and now not recall where my darn phone is?

 

[ProgRules]

I resemble that remark. lol. Indeed, age does play some at times cruel tricks on the memory.
Why can I assemble a picture of standing outside, in C Fl of all places, sometime in the '50's, when I saw snow for the first time, and now not recall where my darn phone is?

Because as we age, short-term memory is what is most affected. Sometimes we have trouble accessing long-term memories; the info is there, but the connections get muddied...

At least that how I remember it...

Don't you hate walking upstairs and by the time you get there, "what did I come up here for???"

 

[mandrix]

Because as we age, short-term memory is what is most affected. Sometimes we have trouble accessing long-term memories; the info is there, but the connections get muddied...

At least that how I remember it...

Don't you hate walking upstairs and by the time you get there, "what did I come up here for???"

Well I haven't put the car keys or phone in the microwave yet so maybe there's some hope.