Recordings listed in the Quad Discography that ARE NOT QUAD

[Mark Anderson]

The Rumored Unreleased Recording Discography has been updated and can be viewed here temporarily.
http://www.surrounddiscography.com/quaddisc/TEMP/quadrumr.htm
This discography is meant to cover the rumors in the community that were not published.
Please take a minute to have a look and pass on any comments, suggestions or missing info.

 

[EMB]

In the '90s and into the 21st century Sony issued at least a hundred repressings on the later 'red label' they also used for vinyl by current acts. There are many titles by Miles and Dylan that were repressed on this heavier vinyl (though it was never claimed to be 180g). Aside from anything else, the giveaway that you have a reissue is when the cover is glossy; most original pressings of these discs had flat covers. Don't remember what the Epic label looked like but there weren't many issued compared to Columbia.

The Sly title was stereo; I got to play it in a store to verify that, and the matrixes were stereo as well. Glossy cover, used the quad front, but it was hazy and fuzzy, not a bootleg so much as a bad repro (presumably the original artwork couldn't be located). Moby Grape's first album was in this series of reissues as well (stereo version, of course).

ED

 

[Mark Anderson]

Updated discographies have been issued for

Quadraphonic Recordings NEVER ISSUED

Quadraphonic Rumored Unreleased Recordings

Released Recordings that are NOT Quad

Please take some time when you have a chance to review and provide any additions, corrections or comments as they are always welcome.

 

[rustyandi]

Gloria Gaynor
Experience

I have just sat down and had a good listen to this LP
Both sides
Casanova Brown
Has a percussion brake that is as good a Quad mix as you would want.
Do it yourself
How high the Moon
Both these tracks have strings in the rear channels
As a separate backing .
The other side
Prettiest Face
What’ll I Do
Tell Me How
I’M Still Yours
Walk On By
Have mixes some are not as distinct as side one
But at times give a Quad Sound at times
The Scope gives a front Back separation
Not the Right side and left Side Wall Effect
I will stick My neck out and say
I think that it is Quad
But be gentle if you think not
Ron

 

[Mark Anderson]

Thanks for the investigation rustyandi.
I finally found a reference in Billboard (Nov 15, 1975) that probably started the inclination that this title is quad.

In a report on the Audio Engineering Society Convention, the article states "Also being demonstrated was another of the QS "quiet quads," the disco sound of Gloria
Gaynor's "Experience," mixed at Media Sound studios here for MGM, with the "Do lt Yourself' cut showing particularly vivid separation."

I guess that kinda nails it without direct confirmation from Tom Moulton who mixed the album.

 

[callmez]

Another one for the list of unreleased albums is Frank Zappa's "Roxy & Elsewhere", which was advertised in magazines, but never released. I've seen this ad a few times back at someones homepage, but cannot find it anymore.

-Kristian

This isn't the best image and I don't have any more info, but being a big Zappa fan I saved it. Roxy is the leftmost of the three album covers shown.

Mark Z

 

[Mark Anderson]

Thanks Callmez for posting the photo. I have this title listed on the rumors page as I had heard the rumors for years but never could find a published listing in order to put on the not released page to clear up confusion for folks looking for the title.

 

[Mark Anderson]

Is Gloria Gaynor - Experience QUAD?

Thanks for the investigation rustyandi.
I finally found a reference in Billboard (Nov 15, 1975) that probably started the inclination that this title is quad.

In a report on the Audio Engineering Society Convention, the article states "Also being demonstrated was another of the QS "quiet quads," the disco sound of Gloria
Gaynor's "Experience," mixed at Media Sound studios here for MGM, with the "Do lt Yourself' cut showing particularly vivid separation."

I guess that kinda nails it without direct confirmation from Tom Moulton who mixed the album.

Tom Moulton was kind enough to respond to my question about Experience being mixed in quad, below is our conversation:


MARK: I am wondering if the GLORIA GAYNOR -Experience album MGM M3G-4997 you mixed is quad using the Sansui QS matrix. I ask this in reference to an article in Billboard

"Billboard (Nov 15, 1975) reported on the Audio Engineering Society Convention, the article states "Also being demonstrated was another of the QS "quiet quads" the disco sound of Gloria Gaynor's "Experience," mixed at Media Sound studios here for MGM, with the "Do lt Yourself' cut showing particularly vivid separation" This appears to be an unmarked quad recording"

I am curious why the album would not be identified at the time as quad for additional marketing appeal.

TOM: Because we asked Polydor if we could do it in Quad and they said NO!
Not really understanding all the pros & cons of Quad we did it anyway and didn't tell the label. when we started hearing the album on the radio if you were listening on a clock radio or a mono radio. When you play a quad record in mono the left and right cancel each other out. So you would hear Gloria basically singing with just a rhythm track and no strings & Horns.So what's left in the middle is what you hear. So we went back in the Studio and I said instead of remixing why don't we just decode it and bounce it down to stereo. When you see the RE in the wax you know that is the stereo album. Ciao, Tom

Chat Conversation End


Interesting to hear that that first addition LP's without RE etched in the wax are quad and mixed directly from multi track to matrix 2 track.

 

[rustyandi]

My wax numbers
M3G4997AS-PRC-5
TM/JR IVEN
Who knows what means?

 

[0tto]

My wax numbers
M3G4997AS-PRC-5
TM/JR IVEN
Who knows what means?

mine is pretty much same, except last letters -W(or U, hard to say as one side looks more like W, another - like U)A - 8(side 1) and 7(side 2).
my guess if RE absend, should be QS pressing.

 

[Circular Vibes]

Could this be only on US pressings? Stampers used in other countries make new stampers from lent tapes as opposed to shipping fragile stampers make of metals of value. I smell a rash of copies on ebay claiming the re is missing on their pressings...

Edit: Some Canadian copies are on Polydor, not MGM. How about other countries? I suspect that unless Tom's original matrix tape got duped and sent out, we may never know. Tom would only have had control over US stampers.

 

[John Svensson]

Thanks for this research on this.... never a big disco fan, but for $7 I'll take a lotto chance on getting another QS album. John

 

[quadtrade]

I agree. Thanks to all who chased this info down!!! this is a wonderful sleuthing job. Congrats on getting to the bottom!!!!

 

[quadtrade]

And Bob Marley

 

[DuncanS]

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Can we just send this chart to Audio Fidelity as to what to give us next!

 

[Mark Anderson]

Rustyandi, those appear to be the matrix numbers from the original pressing. I cant find any info on the meaning of "AS-PRC-5" ect. but the M3G4997 are correct.

Until a copy is found with "RE" we really won't know what the difference in sound is to help with confirming the engineers recollection and which disks are and are not quad. We really do not know if tapes were released to other countries prior to the reissue and if the RE was dropped on recuttings here in the US when the stamper got damaged or worn out.

 

[John Svensson]

My copy wax says m3g4997bs-hs-4..... I like that "4". Though I have no analysis software, it sure sounds like a qs album to me.

 

[Mark Anderson]

The only info I have seen published on MGM matrix numbers only identifies m3g as the label and 4997 as the catalog number. Unfortunately the numbers that follow usually containing info on the pressing plant, stamper cutting and other details has not been documented. Let's hope in time we can get to the bottom of this but until then, enjoy it if it sounds good.
I like the "4" too. It must be quad because of the 4. Maybe the engineers recollection is hazy and recuttings did not have the 4........
I have to say I do not have this title so I can't chime in on how it sounds. I will have to wait for a script or hardware decode.

 

[quadtrade]

Mark the one i have is QS, will get files up so all can hear it. m3g4997-bs-wa-8

 

[addseo1119]

Thanks for sharing the great information.