Rhino Quadio - Batch #8 Speculation

[gvl_guy]

Who has the ABC catalogue.....Sony also? Croce's Greatest would be nice.

I believe I read his wife actually controls his catalog

 

[H.A.L.]

It's amazing how many "old" songs are incorporated into commercial ads these days. That has to be a sizable revenue.
There were a few visionaries like Clive Davis on the label side of things. These days I have no clue nor inspiration to give a rat's ass as it seems to all be calculations on the bottom line. Maybe was ever thus, I suppose. Business gonna be business and slim profit margins don't excite the corporate suits.

Not just commercials -- if you watch the recent trailer for THUNDERBOLTS* you can make out Starship's "Nothings Gonna Stop Us Now" in the background. Can't make out if it is the original band or not, but I'm sure the rights were paid. . . .

 

[jaybird100]

Who has the ABC catalogue.....Sony also? Croce's Greatest would be nice.

ABC is Universal.

 

[Victor Bisio]

Gorilla, Diamond Girl. Need I say more

Better than Batch#7.

 

[kenm]

Maybe Rhino can pull out the stops and do the triple Atlantic Q8 of Emerson Lake and Palmer - "Welcome Back My Friends To The Show That Never Ends Live". They never did a CD-4 of that. It was on crummy Ampex Q8's. The record label was Manticore, an Atlantic subsidiary.View attachment 113660

Would LOVE that, I have the Q8's it be nice to have Blu ray Quad mix.

 

[key_wiz]

I believe I read his wife actually controls his catalog

Yep. ABC (and whoever has owned that stuff in the years since ABC went defunct) hasn’t had anything to do with the Croce catalog since the mid-70s. Ingrid gained control of it sometime in the 80s and has maintained it since.

 

[J. PUPSTER]

Universal/BMG looks like for Croce.

https://www.discogs.com/release/30744723-Jim-Croce-You-Dont-Mess-Around-With-Jim

 

[BillSamm1]

Who has the ABC catalogue.....Sony also? Croce's Greatest would be nice.

Grass Roots too.

 

[H.A.L.]

Not just commercials -- if you watch the recent trailer for THUNDERBOLTS* you can make out Starship's "Nothings Gonna Stop Us Now" in the background. Can't make out if it is the original band or not, but I'm sure the rights were paid. . . .

Just back from seeing the new CAPTAIN AMERICA in 3D -- really cool Top Gun over-the-top flying effects, whoosh! -- and in
the previews beforehand was said THUNDERBOLTS* in full cinema audio glory. Kind of sounded like the original "Nothings Gonna Stop Us Now" by Starship had been cut, and the pieces stretched and twisted along with the video edits. Was it Starship? Still unsure, although the one time you could make out the female singer it sounded like Grace.

At any rate, it was in full cinema audio glory, one of the main reasons I go to the cinema still. Wonder if Starship will make SDE at some point .

 

[John Svensson]

Yep. ABC (and whoever has owned that stuff in the years since ABC went defunct) hasn’t had anything to do with the Croce catalog since the mid-70s. Ingrid gained control of it sometime in the 80s and has maintained it since.

You would think she would want to allow a surround mix since Jim apparently was all in on the QS format. Would be a good seller, and the Grassroots. Someone would have to tell me if Rhino has BMG access.

 

[Old Quad Guy]

You would think she would want to allow a surround mix since Jim apparently was all in on the QS format. Would be a good seller, and the Grassroots. Someone would have to tell me if Rhino has BMG access.

When I was a new member here in 2007, I met Ingrid at her restaurant in San Diego, that is dedicated to Jim. Evidently, Jim was an excellent cook of Italian food. I had just learned how to do SQ/QS conversions, and went there to give her a DTS-CD that I had created from one of Jim’s Quad albums.

I told her about the Quad albums of his, and she seemed surprised that such a thing existed. She asked if it was like The Beatles “Love” album. I said yes, it was like that. I told her about the surround forum QQ and if it was possible for a release?

Long story short:
She couldn’t have been more polite and nicer to me and my girlfriend. We were sitting down in a public place, surrounded by dozens of people, who were eating and enjoying the early evening. She said it was okay to tell everyone here that she was “surround friendly.” But she also said she didn’t have control of his music. This must have been public knowledge, I’m guessing, because she said this to us in her restaurant full of people.

Again, this was in the summer of 2007. Perhaps, the situation has changed, I don’t know. But Ingrid was sincerely interested in knowing how to play the Quad DTS-CD. She was very nice and gave me and my girlfriend her cookbook and signed it. She couldn’t have been more kind and generous to us.

 

[Michael Marshall]

A lot of those purchases I think are more for licensing those songs for commercial purposes. Using a Paul Simon song to promote a beer. Or every time a radio station or stream plays the song, they get a penny. Maybe a little to reissue vinyl, but even that's not very significant.

I TRULY believe the multichannel program at Rhino is solely because of the people at Rhino. They believe in it. They (especially FR) see the demand - as meager as it might be for the bottom line. They can say "it's pulling in a little revenue" so the higher ups let it happen. If Sony or UMG had folks like that, we'd be incredibly happy and likely more broke. But that's what it would take. People within the company

A lot of those purchases I think are more for licensing those songs for commercial purposes. Using a Paul Simon song to promote a beer. Or every time a radio station or stream plays the song, they get a penny. Maybe a little to reissue vinyl, but even that's not very significant.

I TRULY believe the multichannel program at Rhino is solely because of the people at Rhino. They believe in it. They (especially FR) see the demand - as meager as it might be for the bottom line. They can say "it's pulling in a little revenue" so the higher ups let it happen. If Sony or UMG had folks like that, we'd be incredibly happy and likely more broke. But that's what it would take. People within the company.

Believe it or not, there was, are and is music "fans" be it genre, format, etc. in the music business/industry and I too believe that Rhino along with Blue Note and many other music (record) companies have many such people in their "ranks". It has ALWAYS been a fine if sometimes "blurred" line between art and commerce especially in the days since streaming and file sharing (post 2000).

 

[fredblue]

Universal/BMG looks like for Croce.

https://www.discogs.com/release/30744723-Jim-Croce-You-Dont-Mess-Around-With-Jim

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ah-ha! maybe Paul Hicks did those Jim Croce Atmos mixes that are streaming on Apple?

 

[J. PUPSTER]

ah-ha! maybe Paul Hicks did those Jim Croce Atmos mixes that are streaming on Apple?

and a hearty good morning ha-ha to you Freddie, been waiting for someone to make that connection. Hicks also did some surround mixing for Lennon and others didn’t he?

 

[key_wiz]

ah-ha! maybe Paul Hicks did those Jim Croce Atmos mixes that are streaming on Apple?

and a hearty good morning ha-ha to you Freddie, been waiting for someone to make that connection. Hicks also did some surround mixing for Lennon and others didn’t he?

Maybe he did those mixes, but they are hardly anything to get excited about. Outside of a couple of tracks, there's not much on of these mixes that couldn't have been done just as well with a DSP upmixer, IMO.

 

[key_wiz]

Grass Roots too.

I know this is the wrong thread since Rhino has nothing to do with ABC, and I also am of the understanding that the ABC quad masters may have been lost in the big Universal fire, but just curious--were any of the Three Dog Night albums mixed in quad? They were probably ABC's biggest artist in the early 70s.

 

[ForagingRhino]

Coming Down Your Way. Command CQD-40018 (QS), ABC 7022-888H (Q8)
Hard Labor. Command CQD-40014 (QS), Dunhill 7023-50168N (Q8)
Hard Labor. Command QD-257 7" 33rpm E.P.(QS)
{A 4 Song E.P. was released of "Hard Labor" for Juke Box Use.}

 

[steelydave]

I know this is the wrong thread since Rhino has nothing to do with ABC, and I also am of the understanding that the ABC quad masters may have been lost in the big Universal fire, but just curious--were any of the Three Dog Night albums mixed in quad? They were probably ABC's biggest artist in the early 70s.

Both Hard Labor (from 1974) and Coming Down Your Way (from 1975) were released in quad on 8-track and QS LP, but yes, I believe it's most likely that all of the ABC (and probably A&M as well) quad masters went up in the 2008 UMG vault fire so aside from what might exist as safeties in foreign vaults (which isn't much) they're probably almost all gone.

For me Hard Labor is a real dud (and a terrible album cover) but I love Coming Down Your Way - not their most successful LP but some great songs and an excellent quad mix. There's some information and photos in the poll thread for the album but some years back some quad masters for a shelved version of the album (when it was still called Dog Style - what is it with these guys and terrible album names?) surfaced on eBay and were apparently scooped up by the manager of Chuck Negron, one of the band's singers. A few of the songs from this shelved album that didn't make it on to Coming Down Your Way ended up on a Negron album a few years back so you have to presume they simply folded down the quad masters to stereo and did whatever extra post-production sweetening and mastering to make them presentable.

 

[key_wiz]

Both Hard Labor (from 1974) and Coming Down Your Way (from 1975) were released in quad on 8-track and QS LP, but yes, I believe it's most likely that all of the ABC (and probably A&M as well) quad masters went up in the 2008 UMG vault fire so aside from what might exist as safeties in foreign vaults (which isn't much) they're probably almost all gone.

For me Hard Labor is a real dud (and a terrible album cover) but I love Coming Down Your Way - not their most successful LP but some great songs and an excellent quad mix. There's some information and photos in the poll thread for the album but some years back some quad masters for a shelved version of the album (when it was still called Dog Style - what is it with these guys and terrible album names?) surfaced on eBay and were apparently scooped up by the manager of Chuck Negron, one of the band's singers. A few of the songs from this shelved album that didn't make it on to Coming Down Your Way ended up on a Negron album a few years back so you have to presume they simply folded down the quad masters to stereo and did whatever extra post-production sweetening and mastering to make them presentable.

Interesting that some of their earlier, more successful titles didn't get mixed into quad at some point. But also true that none of their albums are any I would call essential titles. They were always much more of a singles band. I was kinda hoping someone would say that the 1974 Greatest Hits package saw a quad release.

 

[kenm]

Don't laugh but out of nowhere I remembered I have a Q8 of Tommy James and The Shondells Greatest Hits and the surround mix was really good. Would be great to have that Quad mix on Blu ray. Haven't had the Q8 deck setup in decades it would be fun to drag it out and the old cartridges. And "F" you Rod Stewart....LOL, how I want Atlantic Crossing so bad. Also, Arlo Guthrie, Brooklynn Cowboys.