Rhino Quadio - Batch #8 Speculation

[steelydave]

I think there's has been some misunderstanding with regards to 'Dog Style' , as a working title for 'Comming Down Your Way' .
According to Schwann 's December 1976 :

Three Dog Night - Dog Style Dunhill 50198 vinyl

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There's no confusion, Dog Style made it to test pressing and no further before being shelved in 1974. They dropped a few songs, recorded a few new ones and released it in 1975 as Coming Down Your Way. Just because some catalog lists it doesn't mean it was released, quad catalogs are full of this kind of thing.

 

[fizzywiggs41]

Yes I think this is definitely the case - I spoke with an ebay seller - and nearly bought a bunch of quad tapes from him - about 15 years ago, who told me a story that basically an engineer at GRT (who did all of ABC's tape manufacturing) had taken home all their masters and kept them in his mother's basement after the company went out of business in the late '70s, and then eventually committed suicide after suffering mental health issues for many years. After he passed away his mother was going to have the tapes sent to the dump, I think, but let some people come and take away what they wanted. The guy I spoke to got some small percentage which included some quad masters including Ramsey Lewis, The Grass Roots and Cat Stevens - he sent me photos of them as well, so he's not lying. Probably fearful of legal repercussions he wouldn't tell me any more of the story (so no who/where/what/when/why/how) and eventually got cold feet about the deal we struck and disappeared - maybe in retrospect I alarmed him by asking too many questions, I dunno. But yes, hopefully all those other GRT tapes are out there somewhere, and one day they'll make it into the hands of someone who can reunite them with a/the label that will actually reissue them. I tried my best with these ones, that's for sure!


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I know that one quad tape of an Impulse artist , does exist at Iron Mountain.
You can see the tape box as the camera takes a quick side shot on the edge oof the isle. The box says Ed Michel and Village Recorder , but the artist was unclear .
After seeing that box my excitement level hit the roof .
I would most definitely have to put my name forward as a prospective vault slueth, at Iron Mountain.

 

[fizzywiggs41]

There's no confusion, Dog Style made it to test pressing and no further before being shelved in 1974. They dropped a few songs, recorded a few new ones and released it in 1975 as Coming Down Your Way. Just because some catalog lists it doesn't mean it was released, quad catalogs are full of this kind of thing.

That's a stereo listing and it exists in another Schwann catalog, this time from
August 1975 , again a stereo listing.

It was never listed as a quad album , until Sansui obtained the latest listing of their QS albums from ABC Command .
Including two or 3 that were never released.
This Pic from Sansui 's The Four Channel Scene May 75.

Three Dog Night - Dog Style
Three Dog Night - Joy To The World /Their Greatest Hits

and :
Joe Walsh - So What

Were never released.

 

[JDeanB]

The 20-track double-LP/single CD "Best of Three Dog Night" is probably the best compilation for getting everything essential. Terrible album cover as well, but chock-full of great hit singles. All the essential stuff from the earlier two compilations plus "Pieces of April".

That comp really is a fine collection. I do wish they would have added "Till The World Ends" without removing anything. I had it on LP and CD...but I can't remember. Did it have the single version of "Joy To The World" with the guitar solo? For me, that version is the one.

 

[fizzywiggs41]

I wonder how close Three Dog Night -Joy To The World/Their Greatest Hits, managed to get to the quad mix stage ?

 

[key_wiz]

That comp really is a fine collection. I do wish they would have added "Till The World Ends" without removing anything. I had it on LP and CD...but I can't remember? Did it have the single version of "Joy To The World" with the guitar solo? For me, that version is the one.

IIRC, that comp has the (I agree inferior) LP version. The single version, in mono (and I almost never prefer the mono mixes) is the killer version.

For all the best versions (sometimes the stereo LP version; sometimes the mono singles) go with the 2-disc "Celebrate" set. At 43 tracks, it's got more than the casual fan would need, but that's what the fast-forward buttons are for.

 

[par4ken]

The 20-track double-LP/single CD "Best of Three Dog Night" is probably the best compilation for getting everything essential. Terrible album cover as well, but chock-full of great hit singles. All the essential stuff from the earlier two compilations plus "Pieces of April".

That one is missing some of my favourite hits like Woman, Nobody & Your Song; IMHO any compilation needs all of the Golden Bisquits tracks! Also it should include "I Can Hear You Calling", flip side of Joy to the World and also a hit for Canadian group "Bush". Another fantastic track is "Chest Fever', flip side of "One" at 4min and 40 seconds which might be considered rather long for a best of package but it did get some "deep track" airplay on AM radio!

This is a case where I created my own "Golden Bisquits" CD, using tracks from the other released CD's. I added a few bonus tracks like Liar, Joy to the World, Chest Fever to my burned copy. Just as with Chicago I'm mainly a fan of the groups earlier work! Apart from "Shambala" I can do without most of thier latter stuff altogether (unless it's mixed in Quad)!

Three Dog Night - Dog Style Dunhill 50198 vinyl

It would seem that Three Dog Night -Dog Style , did exist.

As has been stated it did exist as a test pressing but was mostly an earlier version/working copy of "Coming Down Your Way". They even share the same catalogue number! StillI I would love to get my hands on that test pressing. Quad versions, especially of tracks that are different would be fantastic!

 

[Fourplay]

That one is missing some of my favourite hits like Woman, Nobody & Your Song; IMHO any compilation needs all of the Golden Bisquits tracks! Also it should include "I Can Hear You Calling", flip side of Joy to the World and also a hit for Canadian group "Bush". Another fantastic track is "Chest Fever', flip side of "One" at 4min and 40 seconds which might be considered rather long for a best of package but it did get some "deep track" airplay on AM radio!

This is a case where I created my own "Golden Bisquits" CD, using tracks from the other released CD's. I added a few bonus tracks like Liar, Joy to the World, Chest Fever to my burned copy. As with Chicago I'm mainly a fan of the groups earlier work! Apart from "Shambala" I can do without most of thier latter stuff altogether (unless it's mixed in Quad)!

As has been stated it did exist as a test pressing but was mostly an earlier version/working copy of "Coming Down Your Way". They even share the same catalogue number! StillI I would love to get my hands on that test pressing. Quad versions, especially of tracks that are different would be fantastic!

You can't make a test pressing without a quad master. Just sayin'.

 

[par4ken]

You can't make a test pressing without a quad master. Just sayin'.

Yes I was referring to the stereo LP test pressing. Dog Style is not available any other way! It would be lovely if a QS version existed!

 

[kenm]

Don't laugh but out of nowhere I remembered I have a Q8 of Tommy James and The Shondells Greatest Hits and the surround mix was really good. Would be great to have that Quad mix on Blu ray. Haven't had the Q8 deck setup in decades it would be fun to drag it out and the old cartridges. And "F" you Rod Stewart....LOL, how I want Atlantic Crossing so bad. Also, Arlo Guthrie, Brooklynn Cowboys.

Checked E Bay and there are a couple Tommy James Q8's posted there. This one on GRT but saw other stereo releases on RHINO. I remember on Crimson an Clover vocals bouncing around speaker to speaker.

 

[kenm]

Don't laugh but out of nowhere I remembered I have a Q8 of Tommy James and The Shondells Greatest Hits and the surround mix was really good. Would be great to have that Quad mix on Blu ray. Haven't had the Q8 deck setup in decades it would be fun to drag it out and the old cartridges. And "F" you Rod Stewart....LOL, how I want Atlantic Crossing so bad. Also, Arlo Guthrie, Brooklynn Cowboys.

 

[peloton]

Yeah. "Disposed of" for storage-space reasons doesn't necessarily mean they all were tossed in the trash. It could have very well meant "I'll dispose of them by tossing them into the truck of my car..." in some cases.

Yes, I'd like to think that some folks committed to preserving music for future generations (and who also happen to work for these big labels), might occasionally see fit to preserve it (even covertly) no matter what edicts are passed down from corporate.

 

[key_wiz]

Yes, I'd like to think that some folks committed to preserving music for future generations (and who also happened to work for these big labels), might occasionally see fit to preserve it (even covertly) no matter what edicts are passed down from corporate.

I’m sure such people exist at the labels. Whether they are in the right place at the right time might be a different story, however

 

[key_wiz]

That one is missing some of my favourite hits like Woman, Nobody & Your Song; IMHO any compilation needs all of the Golden Bisquits tracks! Also it should include "I Can Hear You Calling", flip side of Joy to the World and also a hit for Canadian group "Bush". Another fantastic track is "Chest Fever', flip side of "One" at 4min and 40 seconds which might be considered rather long for a best of package but it did get some "deep track" airplay on AM radio!

Yep yep. If those tracks are important to you, then "Golden Bisquits" would be what you need.

My 'go to' is the 2-disc "Celebrate" compilation which has Nobody, Your Song, and I Can Hear You Calling, but not Woman or Chest Fever.

But, to be completist about it, "Woman", "Nobody" and "Your Song" were never "hits". "Nobody", their first single, never charted, and the other two were just album tracks, so little surprise they don't turn up on too many 'hits' compilation.

 

[JulesRules]

Sony bought out BMG back in 2006.

Sony didn't buy the entirety of BMG, and what was left of BMG continues to operate as its own label. The ELP catalogue went to BMG later, after the partial merger.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG

"As part of the buyout, Bertelsmann kept the rights to master recordings by 200 artists, which formed the basis for a second version of BMG."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMG_Rights_Management

The SDE Surround Series has included several BMG releases: Driven (Gilbert O'Sullivan), Danse Macabre (Duran Duran), Gravity Stairs (Crowded House), Into the Gap (Thompson Twins), Retrospective (Bryan Ferry) and the upcoming Avalon (Roxy Music). None of these had anything to do with Sony.

 

[ar surround]

Begging on both knees yet again to the powers at Rhino for Seals & Crofts Diamond Girl. Of course, without the random whistles and other noises that graced the CD-4 release.

 

[gvl_guy]

Begging on both knees yet again to the powers at Rhino for Seals & Crofts Diamond Girl. Of course, without the random whistles and other noises that graced the CD-4 release.

I would bet that DG is coming as one of the releases.... maybe not this batch, but at some point. It was one of S&C's biggest albums at the time. Of course, IF the quad master for it still exists.

 

[fizzywiggs41]

Sony didn't buy the entirety of BMG, and what was left of BMG continues to operate as its own label. The ELP catalogue went to BMG later, after the partial merger.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG

"As part of the buyout, Bertelsmann kept the rights to master recordings by 200 artists, which formed the basis for a second version of BMG."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMG_Rights_Management

The SDE Surround Series has included several BMG releases: Driven (Gilbert O'Sullivan), Danse Macabre (Duran Duran), Gravity Stairs (Crowded House), Into the Gap (Thompson Twins), Retrospective (Bryan Ferry) and the upcoming Avalon (Roxy Music). None of these had anything to do with Sony.

Maybe it's a Decades ownership type of deal , as I notice those SDE titles are primarily from the 80's up?? With the exception of Bryan Ferry's Retrospective album.
Mind you it's a new release and does not contain much from his albums in the 70's .
Anyway it's a good guess for BMG.

 

[fizzywiggs41]

Yep yep. If those tracks are important to you, then "Golden Bisquits" would be what you need.

My 'go to' is the 2-disc "Celebrate" compilation which has Nobody, Your Song, and I Can Hear You Calling, but not Woman or Chest Fever.

But, to be completist about it, "Woman", "Nobody" and "Your Song" were never "hits". "Nobody", their first single, never charted, and the other two were just album tracks, so little surprise they don't turn up on too many 'hits' compilation.

What's weird about Three Dog Night , is that their hit songs were written by other artists.
Like Chest Fever , by Robbie Roberson of The Band , Harry Nilsson with 'One' and Randy Newman with 'Mama Told Me Not To Come'.

And Randy Newman has another candidate for a Quadio release. The Quad 'Sail Away' album previously only available on Q-Reel .

 

[JulesRules]

Maybe it's a Decades ownership type of deal , as I notice those SDE titles are primarily from the 80's up?? With the exception of Bryan Ferry's Retrospective album.
Mind you it's a new release and does not contain much from his albums in the 70's .
Anyway it's a good guess for BMG.

Keep in mind SDE only puts out albums as part of the series if they have a new Atmos mix, no pure reissues of existing quad (or 5.1) versions. So that's something that would hold up a release of Welcome Back My Friends To The Show That Never Ends in the series.