Suggestions for Audio Fidelity Multichannel SACD Releases

[JonUrban]

Chances are likely that WB would not release the 5.1 to AF, although I can't figure out why they would not.

I have emailed Marshall and asked about this one and the "So What?". It would be a shame to have these come out as stereo-only SACDs if these were a remote chance that they could license the surround mixes.

That being said, I am sure that they did try.

 

[LizardKing]

If I was WB, I'd be more reluctant to release the stereo masters, than the 5.1....

 

[arnold_layne]

Pigs will fly before it happens.

That's what they said about a Pink Floyd reunion with Roger Waters. But we have Live 8.

Seems any Floyd be it catalog or solo material takes forever to get released. How many times has Amused to Death 5.1 been delayed?

Still waiting on The Wall 5.1 mix and Blu Ray release. This was discussed four years ago.

Steve

 

[fredblue]

hmmmm I see Riding with the King is listed as coming soon on the AF site, as well as So What by Joe Walsh, but why not Surround for these? They both had mixes done...

https://audiofidelity.net/product/bb-king-eric-clapton-riding-king
https://audiofidelity.net/product/joe-walsh-so-what

Did the Joe Walsh really have a Quad mix?

https://www.quadraphonicquad.com/forums/showthread.php?8596-Joe-Walsh-So-What&p=248475#post248475

 

[cupboy]

I wish AF would put a moratorium on any new stereo SACDs -- we've got plenty of them from other sources.

 

[LizardKing]

Did the Joe Walsh really have a Quad mix?

https://www.quadraphonicquad.com/forums/showthread.php?8596-Joe-Walsh-So-What&p=248475#post248475

There were two unreleased LPs, the Joe Walsh "So What" CQD-40017, which shows up in price guides but does not exist ...

However, one track from the Joe Walsh album, "Falling Down", did appear on a special album made by ABC for the Koss company and their Phase 4+4 Headphones.

https://www.quadraphonicquad.com/abc.htm

 

[fredblue]

https://www.quadraphonicquad.com/abc.htm

Thx!

Have you heard the B.B.King Command Quad mixes?

 

[cupboy]

Looks like we may need to change the thread title to Suggestions for Audio Fidelity Stereo SACD Releases. I'd start with suggesting Best of Roxy Music.

 

[bmoura]

Chances are likely that WB would not release the 5.1 to AF, although I can't figure out why they would not.

I have emailed Marshall and asked about this one and the "So What?". It would be a shame to have these come out as stereo-only SACDs if these were a remote chance that they could license the surround mixes.

That being said, I am sure that they did try.

That's probably the story.

On Joe Walsh, being a Universal title, finding the Quad Tapes is iffy at best.
And Warner may have only made a Stereo SACD license available. That's the way it goes sometimes.

 

[bmoura]

Looks like we may need to change the thread title to Suggestions for Audio Fidelity Stereo SACD Releases. I'd start with suggesting Best of Roxy Music.

There are more Multichannel SACDs coming from Audio Fidelity. No need to change the thread title.

 

[0tto]

Looks like we may need to change the thread title to Suggestions for Audio Fidelity Stereo SACD Releases.

well it seems tread can be renamed into "you may suggest as much as you want but will get what we can scrape out off mercy of "big guys".
sadly so far very un-impressive offers.
don't understand why AF didn't work directly with artists, who for at least in part has control over their works.

 

[jaybird100]

Has anyone mentioned Janis Joplin's "Pearl"? I don't think that ever came out on a multichannel SACD.

 

[jaybird100]

I recently sold my Riding With the King dvd-audio. Doesn't go for much money. But yea, how strange. Maybe that's an error on the site.

I have this, and it's a great surround mix. I can't see why AF couldn't get the surround master for it. I just listened to it again yesterday, after news came down of BB's passing. I still can't believe he's gone. Lucille's in mourning.

 

[bmoura]

well it seems tread can be renamed into "you may suggest as much as you want but will get what we can scrape out off mercy of "big guys".
sadly so far very un-impressive offers.
don't understand why AF didn't work directly with artists, who for at least in part has control over their works.

Audio Fidelity talks to the artists and the record labels. In some cases, the record label will OK a title for release in Stereo or Multichannel SACD but the artist will not.
As always, all of the stars have to line up for these releases to come together.

 

[JonUrban]

We remember tales of artists who claim not to have even known that their albums were released in quad back in the '70s. I am sure that there are some artists who had little or no involvement with their modern DVD-A or SACD releases that came out in the '00's. If that were the case, and the surround discs came out and the artist did not like them, hated or detested them, they would hardly approve a subsequent release from a specialty label.

Many artists do not like their music split up and spread out, as it makes the music more vulnerable to inspection. We may like to hear a vocal solo in the center, but the singer never signed up for that and might not like being exposed as such. If that were the case, and someone asked them "Hey, they want to re-release your album in 5.1 again, is that OK?", the artist might say "Hell no, I hate that".

This is just an example, as I doubt BB King would have said that, but you can be sure there are artists out there with surround releases that were released in the past that they do not like or approve of.

These are the kinds of things that a reissue label has to deal with. The label, the artist, the group, the publisher, the tapes, etc, etc.

 

[jaybird100]

We remember tales of artists who claim not to have even known that their albums were released in quad back in the '70s. I am sure that there are some artists who had little or no involvement with their modern DVD-A or SACD releases that came out in the '00's. If that were the case, and the surround discs came out and the artist did not like them, hated or detested them, they would hardly approve a subsequent release from a specialty label.

Many artists do not like their music split up and spread out, as it makes the music more vulnerable to inspection. We may like to hear a vocal solo in the center, but the singer never signed up for that and might not like being exposed as such. If that were the case, and someone asked them "Hey, they want to re-release your album in 5.1 again, is that OK?", the artist might say "Hell no, I hate that".

This is just an example, as I doubt BB King would have said that, but you can be sure there are artists out there with surround releases that were released in the past that they do not like or approve of.

These are the kinds of things that a reissue label has to deal with. The label, the artist, the group, the publisher, the tapes, etc, etc.

You're entirely right, Jon. A few years back, The Grassroots were playing at a Love-in in North Miami Beach, and I took the album cover from my quad copy of their "16 Greatest Hits" LP. When I asked them to autograph it, they saw the ABC Command Quadraphonic logo on it, actually got a bit upset, and refused to sign it. They said they had no idea a quad release even existed. I did tell them that it sounded amazing, but they were still crying foul over it. Apparently, if the record company owned the masters, they didn't need the artist's OK to release a quad version. That may be different now, but apparently it wasn't in the 70's.

 

[Clint Eastwood]

You're entirely right, Jon. A few years back, The Grassroots were playing at a Love-in in North Miami Beach, and I took the album cover from my quad copy of their "16 Greatest Hits" LP. When I asked them to autograph it, they saw the ABC Command Quadraphonic logo on it, actually got a bit upset, and refused to sign it. They said they had no idea a quad release even existed. I did tell them that it sounded amazing, but they were still crying foul over it. Apparently, if the record company owned the masters, they didn't need the artist's OK to release a quad version. That may be different now, but apparently it wasn't in the 70's.

Back in that time frame very few artists had any control over their material...most didn't have the financial resources and signed all the rights away to just get a record deal...I'm sure you are familiar with Moondance and Van Morrison's feelings about releasing his music in surround...he went on his website and asked people not to buy it...he has been portrayed in the media as a stubborn grouchy guy who is being unreasonable...but only the artist knows what "really" happened during the contract phase...and some are still bitter about the way they were treated and in a lot of cases were taken advantage of...

 

[EMB]

Let's get to Worst Of Jefferson Airplane first, then go to the ancillaries.

The key to a successful series is to put out releases that have maximum sales potential, even beyond the quad mixes. That makes WORST or VOLUNTEERS more sensible titles than SUNFIGHTER or the Starship stuff, although those would find a decent audience.

Not that SUNFIGHTER would make for a bad title, it's just that there are others that sold better in those years from the latter-day Airplane, so this side project probably isn't going to be the first one out anyway.

ED

 

[0tto]

Audio Fidelity talks to the artists and the record labels. In some cases, the record label will OK a title for release in Stereo or Multichannel SACD but the artist will not.
As always, all of the stars have to line up for these releases to come together.

JonUrban; Many artists do not like their music split up and spread out, as it makes the music more vulnerable to inspection.

do you guys suggesting PG, if AF will approach him, would turn down their offer to re-run his back catalogue on boutique audiophiles label?
i've been lucky to snap up "Up" SACD but stupidly passed stereo prints.
you all know how long it's OOP and prices, scalpers asking for.
i guess PG is aware of this too

there are demand
there are artist who's not ashamed of his work
there are all decision by artist, w/out involvement of third part...


... and there aren't willingness of AF to do anything, if sleeves must be rolled up.

maybe i'm mistaken but that's how it looks like from my personal corner of the world.

 

[rtbluray]

Something just doesn't add up with these two recently announced stereo-only SACDs.
If AF really tried to license the surround mix of "Ridin with the King" and their offer was rejected for one reason or another, that's understandable, but if I were them, I would pull that one from release and release another BB King or Eric Clapton album that doesn't have a surround mix. Putting this title out with only stereo is a complete waste of time and money, and I certainly won't buy it!

Plus, I'd bet money on the existence of a Quad mix of "So What".