Unreleased Completed Multichannel Mixes you want released via streaming

[zobalob]

The Byrds : Fifth Dimension

 

[par4ken]

A lossy or otherwise degraded copy of a mix doesn't get around copyright law. There's logic in thinking about a degraded copy as no longer the item with the copyright but that's not how it works legally. I could convert a copyrighted file to mono, copy it to a wire recorder and back, and run it through a distortion box, and I'd still get a cease and desist notice if I publicly shared it. Apple streaming isn't about to start liberating bootlegs and get themselves shut down.

(But if they do, I hope one of you is recording the stream that day! )

They shut down Napster for sharing low quality MP3's. I used to use that site to discover new music, I actually bought CD's or if not available LP's of much of the music that I had previously downloaded as MP3's. Now I can find sites that share SACD rips and other high rez music. You don't hear the same clamouring to shut that down, as you did with the MP3 sharing sites! And don't forget how they were desperate to incorporate anti-copy technology to the compact cassette!

And don't forget the scarry FBI warning at the start of those VHS video tapes! Also the deaded Macrovision that prevented you for taping DVD's.

 

[Mr. Afternoon]

They shut down Napster for sharing low quality MP3's. I used to use that site to discover new music, I actually bought CD's or if not available LP's of much of the music that I had previously downloaded as MP3's. Now I can find sites that share SACD rips and other high rez music. You don't hear the same clamouring to shut that down, as you did with the MP3 sharing sites! And don't forget how they were desperate to incorporate anti-copy technology to the compact cassette!

As far as I know everything is much harder to shut down these days. Those dang pirates even managed to get a hold of my album (I'm keeping an eye on all of you)

 

[ubertrout]

Because this digressed unnecessarily into copyright law, I still maintain that a quad mix made but not released over 50 years ago potentially is in the public domain in the EU under the "use it or lose it" provisions. Would be a nightmare to litigate but technically true.

In the USA, technically you can share copies of a sound recording not being normally commercially exploited if it was recorded prior to February 15, 1972 pursuant to 17 U.S. Code § 1401(c), subject to numerous and varied caveats. I wouldn't advise actually using this provision, but it does exist.

The Internet Archive has also interpreted the same 2018 US Law which made 1401 the law to mean that recordings from before that date can be put online as long as you check to make sure they're not commercially available. It's a somewhat tenuous interpretation but they haven't been sued yet AFAIK: The Music Modernization Act is now law which means some pre-1972 music goes public - Internet Archive Blogs

Of course, this is all largely irrelevant since the problem is getting files in master tape quality, and the only copies at that quality are held under lock and key. But if we're going esoteric on copyright, I'm happy to follow

To actually answer the question, I'd love more of the Deutsche Grammophon recordings, especially the ones from Boston in the 1970s. I also wish Naxos would release more of their recordings as ATMOS streams, because they apparently mix everything to surround.

 

[jimfisheye]

They shut down Napster for sharing low quality MP3's. I used to use that site to discover new music, I actually bought CD's or if not available LP's of much of the music that I had previously downloaded as MP3's. Now I can find sites that share SACD rips and other high rez music. You don't hear the same clamouring to shut that down, as you did with the MP3 sharing sites! And don't forget how they were desperate to incorporate anti-copy technology to the compact cassette!

And don't forget the scarry FBI warning at the start of those VHS video tapes! Also the deaded Macrovision that prevented you for taping DVD's.

Yeah it's funny. People who release desirable content seem to still be able to still sell it even though it can be procured for free with some effort. It's like you'd only have to worry about someone who heard your album first and then doesn't buy it if you thought your album sucked or something and were trying to hide that. Oh, wait...

As for the out of print surround titles from the '70s...
The ones in demand - to the point where people are making rips from old equipment and sharing them and even doing restoration work sometimes - remain out of print. Isn't that kind of a statement by the band that they aren't interested in selling an item of theirs that's in demand? This stuff isn't college kids sharing distorted mp3s to see their song library number grow. These are obsessive fans who are hungry for these items.

Just a couple thoughts. No defense legally there whatsoever! But you know, you don't need a legal degree to see if it's a windy day or however you say that. Try... what's the word for it... "selling" this stuff!

 

[humprof]

Jean-Luc Ponty : Cosmic Messenger (5.1),

80 years old. Miles, Mahavishnu, Zappa...Long interview at All About Jazz:
https://www.allaboutjazz.com/jean-luc-ponty-imaginary-voyages-part-1

 

[4-earredwonder]

Announced as part of the Warner DVD~A 5.1 pre~release schedule in the early 00's

Frank Sinatra: The September of My Years
Frank Sinatra: Greatest Hits
Neil Young: After The Gold Rush

 

[cbmmm3]

Sony pre-release schedule. Oh, what could have been........

 

[4-earredwonder]

IF ONLY SONY Japan would stop releasing already extant SACD 5.1 titles in special 7" packaging and concentrate on releasing the treasure trove of unreleased QUAD/5.1 titles which exist and have never had a surround release.

Fredblue listed almost a dozen or so Columbia Titles which are ripe for such a treatment in his post #8 on this thread!

 

[sjcorne]

IF ONLY SONY Japan would stop releasing already extant SACD 5.1 titles in special 7" packaging...

If you're referring to the upcoming Toto IV release, not everyone was lucky enough to pick that up at retail nearly two decades ago...

 

[Mr. Afternoon]

IF ONLY SONY Japan would stop releasing already extant SACD 5.1 titles in special 7" packaging and concentrate on releasing the treasure trove of unreleased QUAD/5.1 titles which exist and have never had a surround release.

Noooo, Record Labels doing things that would make them MONEY? Why do that when we can have the 18th reissue of DSOTM on SACD?

 

[4-earredwonder]

If you're referring to the upcoming Toto IV release, not everyone was lucky enough to pick that up at retail nearly two decades ago...

True, but that list of SONY Japan 7" SACD releases also includes Herbie Hancock, Billy Joel and Carole King's Tapestry....redundancy, IMO, when worthier unreleased surround titles just might equate into greater sales for the label and further enrich our surround collections!

 

[kap'n krunch]

80 years old. Miles, Mahavishnu, Zappa...Long interview at All About Jazz:
https://www.allaboutjazz.com/jean-luc-ponty-imaginary-voyages-part-1

WOW!
Great insightful interview, Thank you @humprof !!!
Met him in 2017 and he TRULY is a gentleman, a true genius ...nice to see that geniuses also have played along records to learn...I was lucky enough to have had a video to have "private" Stick and Bass classes from the great Tony Levin!
Here is a not very good pic from the 2017 gig in Madrid; I look HUGE and have lost quite a bit of weight since then...Maestro Ponty signed a minty copy of Enigmatic Ocean and my ticket stub from the first gig I saw him in San Juan in 1981 on the "Mystical Adventures" tour where I was in the first row! He told me jokingly that I was probably 3 feet tall at that gig (I look younger than my real age....)..a pleasure meeting him..DO MEET YOUR HEROES!

 

[adamschoales]

Someone already said, but MJ's Thriller (and OFF THE WALL) would be amazing. Thriller's 40th anniversary is coming up and while it's not yet been confirmed I wouldn't be surprised if it magically shows up. At least I hope anyways...

 

[mongojr]

I love DISCOGS! I just search " ", nothing and then define by Multichannel, Quadraphonic, decade, jazz, rock, artist and their database has pictures of them all. You can have such a blast discovering all that was forgotten:
1970's Quad Releases in the vault:
Cat Stevens Greatest Hits
Steely Dan Pretzel Logic
Simon & Garfunkel Bridge over Troubled Water
Rod Stewart Every Picture Tells a Story
STYX Grand Illusion
Harry Nilsson Nilsson Schmilsson
Aerosmith Rocks, Get Your Wings, Toys in the Attic
Creedence CR Gold & Chronicles
...all discovered in a 2-minute search!
Physical SACD or Blu-ray Audio PLEASE!

 

[4-earredwonder]

I love DISCOGS! I just search " ", nothing and then define by Multichannel, Quadraphonic, decade, jazz, rock, artist and their database has pictures of them all. You can have such a blast discovering all that was forgotten:
1970's Quad Releases in the vault:
Cat Stevens Greatest Hits
Steely Dan Pretzel Logic
Simon & Garfunkel Bridge over Troubled Water
Rod Stewart Every Picture Tells a Story
STYX Grand Illusion
Harry Nilsson Nilsson Schmilsson
Aerosmith Rocks, Get Your Wings, Toys in the Attic
Creedence CR Gold & Chronicles
...all discovered in a 2-minute search!

You can also peruse Mark Anderson's authoritative Popular QUADRAPHONIC DISCOGRAPHY which lists literally hundreds of titles:

http://www.surrounddiscography.com/quaddisc/quadpall.htm

 

[mongojr]

Just went thru all genres of Quad '70s 8-Track etc:
Billy Joel Turnstiles
Jim Croce Life and Times, You Don't Mess Around
The Ventures Hawaii Five-O
Steely Dan Can't Buy a Thrill, Countdown to Exctasy
The Archies Sugar, Sugar
Loggins Messina Your Momma Don't Dance
Paul Simon "self", Still Crazy After All These Years
John Denver Poems, Prayers & Promises
Elvis As Recorded at MSG
Chet Atkins Picks the Best
Tony Orlando & Dawn Greatest Hits
Burt Bacharach, Perry Como, Johnny Mathis, Andy Williams "lots of albums"
Captain & Tennille Love Will Keep Us Together
Janis Joplin Pearl
Sly and the Family Stone Greatest Hits
Carpenters "self"
Henry Mancini, Percy Faith, Mantovani, Mac Davis, Barbra Streisand, "lots of"
... and I didn't check Classical yet but there were some Arthur Fiedler & The Boston Pops in there.

 

[steelydave]

Guys, not to be a wrecker of fun, but this thread is for discussion of unreleased quad mixes, ie ones that were never released in any form - there are plenty of other threads to discuss digital reissue requests for previously released quad titles.

 

[Q-Eight]

There were articles back in the day about Fantasy records getting on the Quad bandwagon with Four-Channel Q8 tapes of Creedence Clearwater albums. From what I've managed to glean, is that the Fantasy archives, now owned by Concord Music; are in amazing shape and are complete, documented and everything is accounted for. So, if those mixes were ever done, they should still exist. It's all a matter of getting Mr. Fogerty to agree to their release.

 

[steelydave]

There were articles back in the day about Fantasy records getting on the Quad bandwagon with Four-Channel Q8 tapes of Creedence Clearwater albums. From what I've managed to glean, is that the Fantasy archives, now owned by Concord Music; are in amazing shape and are complete, documented and everything is accounted for. So, if those mixes were ever done, they should still exist. It's all a matter of getting Mr. Fogerty to agree to their release.

I posted a scan of this article in the thread about Fantasy's CD-4 output - it's from 1971 so very early on and no real indication if they did the mixes or not. Some of the tracks on the greatest hits comp that was released are upmixes, so they definitely didn't do all of them, that's for sure.

The Concord archives may very well be in good shape (I think everyone's stuff is in Iron Mountain these days anyway) but outside of a constant trickle of releases from Analogue Productions, the company doesn't seem inclined at all to license out any of their masters, let alone the quad ones. It's a shame because they're sitting on a lot of good stuff, outside of the Fantasy/Prestige/Milestone quad mixes (released and unreleased) they also own the Stax back catalogue (and distribute the Isaac Hayes catalogue owned by his estate), and Vanguard too.