70'S QUAD FM SYNDICATIONS AND SIMULCASTS-OTHER THAN BBC, KBFH

[mikedes]

Let me know what you have at some point if it’s not too much trouble. Boston area broadcasts are definitely of interest.

Just listened to Bill Marlow with side kick Bobby Markel on station WNTN 1979 playing Jazz.

 

[somethingcleveridunno]

Thanks for the memories of what could have been. Here is what I have on the Quad Radio Discography

LIVE AT THE AGORA
The "Expose Yourself in the Midwest"
campaign stated the concerts were "Recorded in SQ Quad" and broadcast on
stations within Ohio on FM-104 Toledo, WVUD Dayton, WCOL Columbus,
ACRN Athens, WMMS Cleveland, WDRD Youngstown and within Pennsylvania on
WMDI Erie, WYDD Pittsburgh, WIOQ Philadelphia. The artists listed for the
broadcasts include Peter Frampton, Hall & Oates, Genesis, Manfred Mann,
Savoy Brown, Patti Smith, Kiss, J. Geils, Dave Brubeck, Ted Nugent,
The Outlaws, Heart, Alice Cooper, Bad Company, Beach Boys, Bruce Springsteen,
Boston, Bob Seger, Queen, David Bowie, Black Oak Arkansas, Johnny & Edgar
Winter, Prue Prairie League, The Grateful Dead. The concerts were recorded
live on 24-track reels by Agency studios and aired at a later date. The
Agora Broadcasts were also mention in Sansui's "Four Channel Scene"
newsletter being broadcast in QS and they were a main sponsor.
{With so many popular names everyone must say that their is something here to like
and hear decoded out of four speakers. I was always curious as to why I had not
heard of the broadcast as being quad while trading FM broadcast thru the mail from
about '73 on. It was not until I saw the ad that I started my hunt. I have yet to
find any of these shows taped on a home recorder or from a tape delivered to a radio
station that mentions a quad in the broadcast in 40 plus years. The search
continues. Mark Anderson}



I have to say that I do not know of one of those mentioned artist having a Quad broadcast from any of the Agora venue's.

I have never heard of any of this being in matrix quad, but this is my neck of the woods! I know one local music critic who might be able to put me in touch with people who'd know. I'll see about tugging at those threads.

I have my dad's collection of open-reel WMMS concert home recordings as well, so now I'm wondering if any of those have SQ quad on them.

For what it's worth, it's loudly rumored here that a lot of the WMMS concert tapes went home with people in 1986 when there was an ugly split between ownership and musical direction/talent and rival WNCX was launched.

 

[mikedes]

Let me know what you have at some point if it’s not too much trouble. Boston area broadcasts are definitely of interest.

I just listened to Bill Marlow on station WNTN with Bobby Markel. It was a jazz segment.

 

[fizzywiggs41]

I have never heard of any of this being in matrix quad, but this is my neck of the woods! I know one local music critic who might be able to put me in touch with people who'd know. I'll see about tugging at those threads.

I have my dad's collection of open-reel WMMS concert home recordings as well, so now I'm wondering if any of those have SQ quad on them.

For what it's worth, it's loudly rumored here that a lot of the WMMS concert tapes went home with people in 1986 when there was an ugly split between ownership and musical direction/talent and rival WNCX was launched.

There are no less than 3 (and possibly 4) FM Quad Broadcasting Stations mentioned here on this thread in reference to Cleveland. If you start at page 4 you will encounter quad matrix broadcasting from :
WMMS , WNCR , WNCN? , and WCLV .

Most are SQ matrix but I notice a switch from SQ to QS in 1976 for WMMS , unless they were broadcasting different programs in one matrix SQ and another in QS matrix.

 

[fizzywiggs41]

September 07 ,1974 page 26 ;
- WYSP FM Philadelphia , encodes Rock programs in QS .
-Chicago Lyric Opera beams in SQ on WFMT .
-HERBIE HANCOCK 'S Live FM broadcast in Tokyo will be carried by no less than 4 FM stations . The July 16th Concert will be broadcast September 01 in QS on Sansui 's show " Four Channel Golden Stage ".
-"Sansui Popular Jamboree " will have 13 weeks of broadcast .
-Tokyo Music Festival which is sponsored by Sony will feature KENNY GAMBLE with LEON HUSK and THE THREE DEGREES .

September 28 ,1974 page 30;
KHOW FM Denver has a mobile unit equipped for quadraphonic .

......page 77 ;
The Rock radio show "ON TOUR " is in QS . Other show syndications are scheduled, namely "SOUL STOP" and " COUNTRY SUNSHINE EXPRESS".

October 19 ,1974 page 27;
WQIV FM NY NY , goes 24 hours in QS quad .

Post #93 is the Abbey Lincoln info.@steelydave

 

[jaybird100]

WSHE, Ft. Lauderdale/Miami, was already 24/7 QS.

 

[kfbkfb]

AFAIK, KBEQ-FM (in KC) didn't broadcast any (matrix) quad encoded content.

Once, when I was listening in 1974, they were broadcasting "Bennie and the Jets", their audio processing was turning down the volume of the midrange and treble on each bass note.

Anyone have tape recordings of matrix quad encoded content from FM radio stations that setup their audio processing to work in this (extreme) way, how does it sound when decoded with a logic assisted matrix decoder?


Kirk Bayne

 

[mandrix]

WSHE, Ft. Lauderdale/Miami, was already 24/7 QS.

(W)SHE's only rock and roll. IIRC on the vanity car tags.

 

[fizzywiggs41]

WSHE, Ft. Lauderdale/Miami, was already 24/7 QS.

Miami was one of the big hot bed Cities for quad matrix broadcasts .
As would be Southern Florida.

August 25 ,1973 page 27 ;
KIRO FM Seattle broadcasts in both QS and SQ .

November 03 ,1973 page 60 ;
Miami area FM stations broadcasting in quad - WTMI , WBUS , WSHE , WLYF and WMYQ .
, WSHE FM -is 24 hours .
(no mention of format)

.....page 66 ;
CBS will be distributing the Sony SQE -2000 Encoder for the U.S . and Canada .

.....page 69 ;
KLOS FM in L . A. an ABC affiliate , goes QS for a 13 week series of broadcasts. Advertisement on page 69 for the KLOS ,Sansui sponsored series.

November 10 ,1973 page 110 ;
Don Nix (Enterprise Records) will perform an F M Live Concert from his midwest tour.
( no mention of format )

As mentioned in Billboard Nov 73 . Identified as QS encoding a little later on in Billboard is WSHE FM. It was not uncommon to find Billboard name stations as broadcasting in a quad matrix ...only to confirm the matrices later on.

 

[fizzywiggs41]

AFAIK, KBEQ-FM (in KC) didn't broadcast any (matrix) quad encoded content.

Once, when I was listening in 1974, they were broadcasting "Bennie and the Jets", their audio processing was turning down the volume of the midrange and treble on each bass note.

Anyone have tape recordings of matrix quad encoded content from FM radio stations that setup their audio processing to work in this (extreme) way, how does it sound when decoded with a logic assisted matrix decoder?


Kirk Bayne

Kirk,
Both Kansas City , and St Louis MO. had at least some quad broadcasting in matrix quad on the FM dial.
You got some reading to do , on this thread ...to find out which Stations and it will be to your worthwhile, as it will likely trigger further queries.

Kirk,
The other day I went through this thread and copied down all of the Syndication Programming that occurred(and there are many) according to Billboard in the 70's.
Chances are one or more from your local FM Stations , carried matrix encoded programs .

Note that I started this thread , as I was discovering so many unknown quad programing , (matrix and discrete)apart from KBFH , and Live From The BBC .
Hopefully this may spur interest in collectors of FM programs , and some of which were encoded in quad...be it ; DY-4D , EV-4 , QS , SQ , or even the BBC 'S ...Quad H , or HJ .

 

[steelydave]

Spotted this today on pg.8 of the April 15th, 1972 issue of Billboard:

I don't think I've seen this one mentioned here anywhere as being a quad radio broadcast - there are multiple versions of it on YouTube (like this one) if anyone wants to throw it through a Tate or Surround Master and see if it does anything. Presumably better-quality lossless versions exist on the live music trading circuit if you know where to look.

 

[J. PUPSTER]

Spotted this today on pg.8 of the April 15th, 1972 issue of Billboard:

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I don't think I've seen this one mentioned here anywhere as being a quad radio broadcast - there are multiple versions of it on YouTube (like this one) if anyone wants to throw it through a Tate or Surround Master and see if it does anything. Presumably better-quality lossless versions exist on the live music trading circuit if you know where to look.

Found LP & CDs version from "loophole" Klondike Records (unofficial); but it's says it's from the 27th (maybe two night gig or one date is wrong?)

They're even sold on Amazon.

 

[steelydave]

Oh yeah, you're right - it appears they played the 27th and 28th and the link I shared is from the 27th so it may not be the quad broadcast, or possibly Billboard got the date wrong.

I'd advise against buying those grey market european CD releases - they just download whatever they can find off the internet (could very well be mp3 or even youtube rips) and then press it on to CD.

 

[quadaholic]

Mr. Fizzy, as always, great detective work. I got home from work and found a version of this show, and it definitely appears to be the real deal, at least after looking at it on the computer for a bit. The only drag is that the sound quality is LOUSY. If someone had a clean version of this show it would be well worth running through a decoder for a listen.

 

[fizzywiggs41]

Say,

A little off topic hear...but I've noticed that someone, in the UK most likely , is starting to put Matrix H (HJ) programs on utube.
So far , although I haven't really been digging , I had noticed the Sensational Alex Harvey Band ..from early 78.April 01, ...but each track , there are 3 , is individuals.

Really will come in handy , if Malcolm's Shadow Vector decoder gets the green light..for production.

 

[fizzywiggs41]

BTW

I've started to take a chance on a couple of Agora broadcasts on CD , I found via discogs.
Now provided they were copied off of the FM Broadcast , they should be in SQ.

A) The Tubes July 18th 1981(bit of a stretch but you never know??)

B) Iggy and Ziggy (Iggy Pop/David Bowie) 21 March1977.

Fwiw My opinion is pending.................

 

[atrocity]

B) Iggy and Ziggy (Iggy Pop/David Bowie) 21 March1977.

By my count, this show has been issued on either outright bootlegs (I first bought it on obviously bootleg vinyl as Suck on This!) or as hard to pin down gray market items at least eleventy trillion times. The most recent release I know of is as part of an official box that's also available on streaming services like Qobuz. I've run it through an SQ decoder and I like how it sounds, but I can't tell if it's truly encoded or just another one that works regardless.

 

[fizzywiggs41]

WSHE, Ft. Lauderdale/Miami, was already 24/7 QS.

The only problem with those 24/7 QS and SQ stations , was that they pushed everything thru their Encoders, or at least most of the time.

I have to agree with the FCC decision that put a stop to this.
Because by doing so , they now had to get produced quad shows such as those offered by Biscuit , ontee BEEB, On Tour , Agora ,etc, or record local concerts for quad.


I'm in mid Canada and matrix quad was very sparse . I know I asked a few FM stations and CBC said they do play the occasional quad album., but I did not know until I read Billboard that they had a National program , mostly SQ but not all, with Andrew Marshall's shows....up to and possibly further than all of 1977, Ala repeats.

I do distinctly remember listening to a couple of quad transmission via album tracks.. such as Synergy, Deodato Prelude, Tina Turner and Elton re Tommy 75 , B B King Hummingbird , and The Thrill Is Gone , and I Scared Myself..Dan Hicks. I think most FM carriers today would carry these , being they are S.I. matrix by default.
The Synergy Electronic Realization program was very distinctive in QS !

 

[fizzywiggs41]

Mr. Fizzy, as always, great detective work. I got home from work and found a version of this show, and it definitely appears to be the real deal, at least after looking at it on the computer for a bit. The only drag is that the sound quality is LOUSY. If someone had a clean version of this show it would be well worth running through a decoder for a listen.

Give Steely credit too.

 

[Willie Wilson]

I have never heard of any of this being in matrix quad, but this is my neck of the woods! I know one local music critic who might be able to put me in touch with people who'd know. I'll see about tugging at those threads.

I have my dad's collection of open-reel WMMS concert home recordings as well, so now I'm wondering if any of those have SQ quad on them.

For what it's worth, it's loudly rumored here that a lot of the WMMS concert tapes went home with people in 1986 when there was an ugly split between ownership and musical direction/talent and rival WNCX was launched.

I am also from “The Home of Rock and Roll” as repeatedly announced by the late, great Len “the Boom” Goldberg of WMMS. Sorry to say that I believe the rumors of the vault being raided are true. A good friend worked there for many years beginning in the 90s and pretty much verified that it was a free-for-all during the meltdown in the 80s. However, he hooked me up with several excellent stereo recordings from that period which endured in trading circles. I have never been privy to a quad reel-to-reel from the golden age. If the WRHS could somehow liaison with an archivist with endless patience and connections, we would be audience to a wealth of musical treasures.