A Couple of Unreleased Big Band Albums on the Decca Label (Stan Kenton/Benny Goodman)

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So I was poking around on Google looking for quad info that was entirely unrelated, and I found this little blurb in the May 20, 1972 issue of Billboard:

Billboard-1972-05-20-Benny_Goodman_Tivoli_concert_quad.jpg


So I did a little digging around Discogs, and these recordings were released as a double LP called On Stage With Benny Goodman & His Sextet Recorded "Live" In Copenhagen, albeit only in stereo:

https://www.discogs.com/release/8276818
I noticed that the album was part of London's "Phase 4 Stereo" series, which is often mistaken for being quad, so I did a bit of googling on the producer and engineer of the album (Ray Few and Arthur Bannister) to see if they were "quad guys," and the evidence suggests that they definitely were - the duo worked on several Decca albums that came out in quad (Q8 and QR only) in the US on the London label, including Ted Heath Orchestra A Salute to Glenn Miller and The Big Ones, many of the Ronnie Aldrich ones including Soft and Wicked, Close to You, and Come to Where the Love Is , Stanley Black Film Spectacular Volume 4: The Epic, and quads by Mantovani, Edumndo Ros, and more.

So based on that I did a little more searching, using terms like "Arthur Bannister" + "quadraphonic", "Ray Few" + "quadraphonic" etc. and came up with another hit from a book called Stan Kenton: This is an Orchestra! by Michael Sparks (Amazon link here) that suggests they also mixed the 1972 Stan Kenton Album, called Stan Kenton Today: Recorded Live in London in quad.

https://www.discogs.com/Stan-Kenton...Today-Recorded-Live-In-London/release/1502029
This is the relevant passage from the book, with the quad mentions bolded:

"Having rejected the Hammersmith Odeon as the recording venue because of its notoriously poor acoustics, Decca's engineers now found the Croydon Hall no better. After the first house the play-back tapes sounded way off, partly due to poor initial mixing (16-track quadraphonic was being used), but also because Von Ohlen's drums swamped the orchestra. For the second concert a high baffle wall was built around John, in an effort to contain his sound.
By now "recording nerves" were prevalent, and while Kenton retained his affability, the guys knew he was in reality willing them to succeed. Particularly on newer pieces like "Ambivalence," mistakes were made, causing Stan to stop the band and start again. In addition, some of the featured soloists out front had played away from the recording mike, like Fred Carter's largely inaudible trombone on "23oN-82oW." Thanks to the good offices of Ken Hanna, Pete Venudor and myself were invited to attend the Decca studios next day to hear the first run-through of the tapes, and in those ideal conditions in quadraphonic sound, the band sounded well."

kenton-1.jpgkenton-2.jpg
(The full two pages if you want to read them.)

While this discovery isn't earth-shattering or anything, it does make you wonder if labels like Decca were pursuing a policy of mixing everything in quad in these early days of the format, as a kind of "better safe than sorry" type of thing before they knew what the demand would be like or how many albums they'd release in quad, or if they'd maybe even release albums as single inventory quad, like EMI did with many of its classical releases. It also makes you wonder how many Decca albums from the early '70s that were released in stereo only have an unreleased quad counterpart sitting in a vault somewhere.
 
So I was poking around on Google looking for quad info that was entirely unrelated, and I found this little blurb in the May 20, 1972 issue of Billboard:

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So I did a little digging around Discogs, and these recordings were released as a double LP called On Stage With Benny Goodman & His Sextet Recorded "Live" In Copenhagen, albeit only in stereo:

https://www.discogs.com/release/8276818
I noticed that the album was part of London's "Phase 4 Stereo" series, which is often mistaken for being quad, so I did a bit of googling on the producer and engineer of the album (Ray Few and Arthur Bannister) to see if they were "quad guys," and the evidence suggests that they definitely were - the duo worked on several Decca albums that came out in quad (Q8 and QR only) in the US on the London label, including Ted Heath Orchestra A Salute to Glenn Miller and The Big Ones, many of the Ronnie Aldrich ones including Soft and Wicked, Close to You, and Come to Where the Love Is , Stanley Black Film Spectacular Volume 4: The Epic, and quads by Mantovani, Edumndo Ros, and more.

So based on that I did a little more searching, using terms like "Arthur Bannister" + "quadraphonic", "Ray Few" + "quadraphonic" etc. and came up with another hit from a book called Stan Kenton: This is an Orchestra! by Michael Sparks (Amazon link here) that suggests they also mixed the 1972 Stan Kenton Album, called Stan Kenton Today: Recorded Live in London in quad.

https://www.discogs.com/Stan-Kenton...Today-Recorded-Live-In-London/release/1502029
This is the relevant passage from the book, with the quad mentions bolded:

"Having rejected the Hammersmith Odeon as the recording venue because of its notoriously poor acoustics, Decca's engineers now found the Croydon Hall no better. After the first house the play-back tapes sounded way off, partly due to poor initial mixing (16-track quadraphonic was being used), but also because Von Ohlen's drums swamped the orchestra. For the second concert a high baffle wall was built around John, in an effort to contain his sound.
By now "recording nerves" were prevalent, and while Kenton retained his affability, the guys knew he was in reality willing them to succeed. Particularly on newer pieces like "Ambivalence," mistakes were made, causing Stan to stop the band and start again. In addition, some of the featured soloists out front had played away from the recording mike, like Fred Carter's largely inaudible trombone on "23oN-82oW." Thanks to the good offices of Ken Hanna, Pete Venudor and myself were invited to attend the Decca studios next day to hear the first run-through of the tapes, and in those ideal conditions in quadraphonic sound, the band sounded well."

View attachment 58325View attachment 58326
(The full two pages if you want to read them.)

While this discovery isn't earth-shattering or anything, it does make you wonder if labels like Decca were pursuing a policy of mixing everything in quad in these early days of the format, as a kind of "better safe than sorry" type of thing before they knew what the demand would be like or how many albums they'd release in quad, or if they'd maybe even release albums as single inventory quad, like EMI did with many of its classical releases. It also makes you wonder how many Decca albums from the early '70s that were released in stereo only have an unreleased quad counterpart sitting in a vault somewhere.
I just got this Stan Kenton double 1972 SQ LP in a little while ago to run thru my SMv2, I'll report back once I've decoded, as to how it sounds. Should be interesting. Marked as "QUADRAFONIC" on the covers. Looks like lots of copies available on discogs.

https://www.discogs.com/release/2425715-Stan-Kenton-And-His-Orchestra-Live-At-Butler-University

Made sure to check Mark Anderson's Quadraphonic database first. I didn't find much here on the forum about it, searched and rediscovered your thread; but maybe I missed some :unsure: Took a chance on it, so we'll see.

Live at Butler University. Creative World [2 LP] ST-1058 (SQ)
(*actual full title is- 'THE CREATIVE WORLD OF stan kenton')

https://www.surrounddiscography.com/quaddisc/quadpall.htm
 
I just got this Stan Kenton double 1972 SQ LP in a little while ago to run thru my SMv2, I'll report back once I've decoded, as to how it sounds. Should be interesting. Marked as "QUADRAFONIC" on the covers. Looks like lots of copies available on discogs.

https://www.discogs.com/release/2425715-Stan-Kenton-And-His-Orchestra-Live-At-Butler-University

Made sure to check Mark Anderson's Quadraphonic database first. I didn't find much here on the forum about it, searched and rediscovered your thread; but maybe I missed some :unsure: Took a chance on it, so we'll see.

Live at Butler University. Creative World [2 LP] ST-1058 (SQ)
(*actual full title is- 'THE CREATIVE WORLD OF stan kenton')

https://www.surrounddiscography.com/quaddisc/quadpall.htm
Wow, JP, Vinyl also has Kenton's sensational cut of "Artistry in Rhythm' which I haven't heard in years!

Wonder if Dutton Vocalion could ever gain access to CREATIVE WORLD'S master tapes?

https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=stan+kenton+artistry+in+rhythm+you+tube&PC=APMC&ru=/search?
 
Wow, JP, Vinyl also has Kenton's sensational cut of "Artistry in Rhythm' which I haven't heard in years!

Wonder if Dutton Vocalion could ever gain access to CREATIVE WORLD'S master tapes?

https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=stan+kenton+artistry+in+rhythm+you+tube&PC=APMC&ru=/search?
yeah, it's some nice Big Band Jazz.

the discogs link I show of that release, has the music (in better quality IMO) with a link to Apple Music (shows label as '1976 GNP CRESCENDO' at the bottom) and also, the only Quad I see in discogs under that label is this one:

https://www.discogs.com/release/5779784-Arthur-Lyman-Introducing-Kapiolani-Puka-Shells
 
yeah, it's some nice Big Band Jazz.

the discogs link I show of that release, has the music (in better quality IMO) with a link to Apple Music (shows label as '1976 GNP CRESCENDO' at the bottom) and also, the only Quad I see in discogs under that label is this one:

https://www.discogs.com/release/5779784-Arthur-Lyman-Introducing-Kapiolani-Puka-Shells
I checked AmazonUS, JP, and unfortunately, Stan Kenton & his orchestra live at Butler University is only available on VINYL so I opted to add this Creative World LIVE RBCD to my collection ... no sign that it was recorded Quadraphonically but it does have an almost 6 minute version of Artistry in Rhythm and was well reviewed on Amazon

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JP, I'll be anxious to hear if the 2 LP Creative World of Stan Kenton is discrete or ambient? My Meridian 861 v.8 pre/pro is a champ in its DSP SUPER and MUSICLOGIC modes of sending discrete info to all channels from stereo sources.

BTW, Michael Dutton has released some incredible Big Band RBCDs over the years [Benny Goodman in particular] and I'm sure he would be more than interested in exploring Stan Kenton's extraordinary back catalogue for a possible SACD QUAD release....should those Quad master tapes be accessible!
 
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