Best method to downmix surround to stereo? Are LoRo fold downs outdated?

[MidiMagic]

I personally can't stand the sound of the rears being 180 degrees out of phase. I agree it sounds "fuller" as a result of the rears being downmixed louder than with LoRo, but I hatehatehate the fact that content the the center of the rears is completely messed up by being OOP. Sounds awful IMO. Curious if the Involve encoder does this, seeing how it is a matrix downmixer, I'm assuming it does.

Odd. I can decode the QS in my head by placing my head in a certain relationship to the speakers.

I used to go to movie theaters and, by sitting in a certain place, hear the Dolby Surround in a theater that doesn't have the decoder (just stereo).

 

[MidiMagic]

I personally can't stand the sound of the rears being 180 degrees out of phase. I agree it sounds "fuller" as a result of the rears being downmixed louder than with LoRo, but I hatehatehate the fact that content the the center of the rears is completely messed up by being OOP. Sounds awful IMO. Curious if the Involve encoder does this, seeing how it is a matrix downmixer, I'm assuming it does.

When actually played with a QS decoder, the back speakers are NOT out of phase with each other.

I hear the out-of-phase part of encoded material played in stereo as coming from behind me.

 

[kfbkfb]

Maybe 2 downmix to stereo options - CD-4 type downmix for popular music and rear/surround -3dB for classical (w/ambience) music.

also:
https://www.quadraphonicquad.com/fo...to-mix-quad-down-to-stereo.35961/#post-777244


Kirk Bayne