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I remember now. I got a similar magazine that listed record sales, not airplay. It was aimed at jukeboxes, not broadcast (I was in the coin-op trade then). I got Billboard in the 1980s.

Does Billboard not report requested plays of old records? Here, the radio stations were constantly playing Elvis records. There would be maybe 3 Elvis plays and then a non-Elvis play each quarter hour.

In the issue you sent, I did find the record I had been watching. And I have quite a few of the records on that chart (I got to keep some of the records removed from jukeboxes).
In the 70s they reported plays from selected radio stations that played current hits. It was a combination of that, record sales and jukebox plays. Radio drove the sales as kids didn’t have much interest in buying a record once it wasn’t in rotation any longer.

Today I suspect it is somewhat the opposite with downloads, streaming and YouTube plays keeping songs on the charts for a year or more and radio stations playing what is still on the charts. How many kids even listen to Top 40 radio stations at all anymore?
 
May 12, 1973
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Why do I have trouble believing you? Those events happened as described.

How did you "zero in" tracking? And how does this make the stylus insensitive to dust in the grooves? I can't see how that happens. Do we have different dust here than you have?

I will just agree to disagree with you. Meanwhile, I will continue to enjoy my CD-4 system which works very well and as it should.

Doug
 
May 19, 1973

Disk Execs Study Dual Q'
Inventory As RCA Hedges

By CLAUDE HALL

LOS ANGELES

The record industry is faced with another double inventory record situation in spite of everything that RCA Records has been doing to try to prevent it.
Last week, even RCA Records was discussing the possibility of dropping its single inventory-and price policy on compatible quadrasonic albums. There were two reasons: First, confusion at the dealer level. A spokesman for the record company said, "There is no doubt that we're finding some dealers putting our Quadradiscs in an isolated bin with other quadrasonic records and not also stocking them in the regular stereo bins by name of the artist.”
RCA Records has 24 discrete Quadradiscs on the market presently and will have “easily another 30-40 Quadradisc albums on the market by this Fall.”
Thus the record company might be losing many sales from regular stereo customers.
Another reason RCA may be forced to go to a double inventory is the fact that the WEA group of labels. Warner Bros., Elektra, and Atlantic, went to a double inventory. By establishing a single inventory policy, RCA had hoped to set the policy for the industry and thus, by sheer weight, eliminate stereo completely fast. However, the decision by the WEA group, who're also into the same CD-4 discrete system as RCA, to go to a double inventory—and double prices—sort of pushed RCA into a comer.
RCA felt "there's no question but that an educational process is needed at the dealer level to educate him to the fact that Quadradiscs should be stocked at both places—not only under stereo, but under quadrasonic. We had no problem with the recent Elvis Presley album … it sold more than a million units even though it was a 2-LP set. But that particular album was generally placed near the cash register because it was such a big seller.”

Sticker Help

What the RCA executive didn't mention was the fact that the label, either on purpose or inadvertently, took no chances. The LP jacket carried the designation "VPSX-6089 STEREO” and on the outside of the shrink wrap was a sticker that read: "Certified compatible: stereo/4-channel recording. Designed for high performance on any stereo or discrete quadraphonic system."
Many record labels look at the double inventory idea as a "mess" and hope it doesn't become a widespread reality. At least three record company executives said that their decision (still pending) on which system to go for quadrasonic—SQ matrix, QS matrix or CD-4 discrete will be based on "avoiding the double inventory problem.”
Stan Kaven, vice president for CBS Records which developed and marketed the SQ matrix system and charges a dollar extra for quadrasonic albums, said: "All of us look forward to the day when there will be only one record. But, because of the extra costs involved in quadrasonic, there must be a two-step process.”
Bob Kornheiser, vice president of tape sales for Atlantic Records, said
WEA would stick with their double inventory and dollar higher price for quadrasonic, even though, at the same time, Dave Glew, vice president of sales for the label, wishfully hoped that the label could “go a different direction in the future.”

Felt RCA Erred

RCA made a mistake, Kornheiser felt, "when they didn't raise the price on their quadrasonic record. There's certainly more justification for a price increase between stereo and quadrasonic than there was between monaural and stereo, because of the vastly increased costs." He pointed to the costs of tooling up for the different compound necessary for quadrasonic albums, and the increased costs in mixing the records." He said some albums were costing $20,000 to $50,000 additionally in mixdown charges alone.
"Thus, to charge the same price for a quadrasonic album as a stereo album is ridiculous. I can only surmise that RCA wanted to establish quadrasonic in the market place and figured to come out ahead in the long run. But that type of thinking would be impractical for us. So, how do we avoid double inventory? Can anybody answer that? There's no way out of it.” But even Kornheiser hoped that the double inventory situation could be phased out at the point “when it pays to put everything out in quadrasonic." The one great factor in the whole double inventory situation, Kornheiser said. is that "the CD-4 discrete record is really compatible."

Field Staff Teaching

RCA, meanwhile, is hoping to be able to avoid a double inventory sit-ation by a vast educational campaign and even now its 40 field representatives are visiting dealers to alert them to marketing procedures for the Quadradisc—specifcally, that it should be racked along with regular stereo albums as well as in special quadrasonic
displays.
At the same time, several other labels are "on the fence" regarding quadrasonic records. CTI Records stepped down from the fence last week with the release in SQ matrix of its "Deodato" album. But Gil Friesen, vice president of administration for A&M Records, said, "It's premature to say that we're close to making a decision on which system to become involved in ... whether Sansui or dis-crete. But the retailer is very concerned about having to stock a double inventory. That will be a factor in any decision we make."
In light of the troubles RCA is having at the dealer level with the confusion about quadrasonic versus stereo, Friesen said: "A pity, since they have the system that would eliminate all double inventory problems.”

A&M Holds back

A&M has been holding back on two albums, one by Quincy Jones and another by Rick Whitman, pending a decision on quadrasonic. Earlier, the company had distributed a Carole King album on Ode Records in Sansui matrix quadrasonic and quadrasonic sales were 12,000, a rather small figure in comparison to the sales in stereo of the same album. Her "Tapestry" album, which wasn't in quadrasonic, sold around four million units, for example.
Vanguard Records reports that its quadrasonic product is beginning to grab on very strong on a one-to-one basis in classical music "and it's also catching on in the pop field. The SQ matrix system does everything we want. There may be confusion now about which system will win, but in the end it's got to be SQ,” said Herb Corsack, vice president of sales and promotion.
Marvin Schlachter, head of Chess/ Janus Records, said he was thinking increasingly of quadrasonic and had “examined both systems but are still sitting on the fence. We haven't felt the market strong enough yet to put any records out."
But, at the very moment
contacted, he was sitting with producer John Schroeder talking about quadrasonic and said that the firm which put out his tapes wanted to put out quadrasonic tape cartridges of Chess/ Janus product.
Glew wanted to impress upon the industry the great need to "try not to get too excited or crazy” about quadrasonic, "recall the days when everyone flooded the market with 8-track cartridges and over-supplied the demand?”
 
May 26, 1973

Slim Chance on Matrix Merger

By BOB KIRSCH

LOS ANGELES
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Despite the feelings of many in the industry, there is apparently no compromise on the horizon between the CBS Records SQ 4-channel system and any of the regular matrix systems, according to CBS Laboratories vice president of acoustics and magnetics Ben Bauer.
“We feel that any sort of compromise would degenerate the SQ system," Bauer said. "From what we can see, regular matrix is a technological mistake. In the front channels the separation is only 7.7 db, which means, for example, that if you record a symphony with this system and have the orchestra up front, the record when played in stereo will collapse to 7.7 db separation in the front channels.

Out of Phase

"By the same token,” Bauer said, the back channels are recorded partly out of phase so they may drop by 7.7 db at times as well, especially through a monaural source. This is very important to Europeans, where most players are still monaural. Simply, our system and the regular matrix systems are not compatible.”
Bauer pointed out that even in this country, most FM stereo listening is done through a monaural source, such as small portable radios or car radios, “so the listener loses the back channels by 7.7 db."
Bauer feels the only explanation for engineers missing this characteristic in developing the system is that it was developed in Japan, where there is probably room for several systems.

SQ and Discrete

As for discrete disk systems, Bauer said he “cannot really fault them at all except to say that the systems have not stabilized and are a bit premature.
"This is not sour grapes on our part," he said, "because the first system we developed was a carrier type system. But we found several major problems.
For one thing, we found the frequency response was reduced from the standard 20-20,000 hz to 15 hz. Maybe this is not a discernible difference to everyone, particularly older ears. But this is one of the major problems in our business. Too many decisions are made without taking youth into account,
"Another problem,” he continued, “is that the signal-to-noise ratio is deteriorated. Many carrier systems do not have good separation at high frequency. In addition, the level of the bass band is diminished by the addition of the carrier." Bauer made it clear that all of the differences between the discrete and SQ systems he mentioned are slight, not gross differences, but they are nonetheless differences.

Shibata Helped

"One of the major improvements in
CD-4 in the past year," Bauer added, “has been the use of the Shibata stylus.
But we think the Shibata is available in limited quantity so optimum playback is limited to a rather small market. There is another problem. This stylus must go exactly vertically into the groove and the angle must be the same. So getting the proper arm and changer adjustments are problems.

No Condemnation

“I am not condemning the system at all," he added, “I simply feel it's a bit premature.”
Does Bauer see coexistence of SQ with any other system? "I see coexistence of SQ with a carrier type system," he said, "but is it the CD-4? Maybe there is another discrete system that is better. Right now, we feel SQ retains all the values necessary."
Among the values Bauer mentioned were compatible playing time with a stereo pressing, the fact that SQ decoders "go from the very simple to full paramatrix and retain the full 20-20,000 hz frequency response in all systems as well as giving full dynamic range. It can be used with every pickup. We expect to see a unit with full logie chip at the Consumer Electronics Show next month and this will make it possible to place the logic gain application in almost every unit.”

SQ Advantages

Bauer feels some of the other advantages of SQ are that "it's compatible for broadcast over FM or AM because all four channels are transmitted at the same level. We are the only ones who allow the front channels to be totally separated but allow all channels to be broadcast equally."
Columbia has issued several disks in SQ only but is primarily issuing material in quadrasonic and stereo modes.
"We want a producer to be convinced of quadrasonic and will not force him to use SQ or any other system," Bauer said. “It also costs more to make an SQ disk at the moment and we feel that only the consumer who wants it should pay the extra.”
 
In the 70s they reported plays from selected radio stations that played current hits. It was a combination of that, record sales and jukebox plays. Radio drove the sales as kids didn’t have much interest in buying a record once it wasn’t in rotation any longer.

Today I suspect it is somewhat the opposite with downloads, streaming and YouTube plays keeping songs on the charts for a year or more and radio stations playing what is still on the charts. How many kids even listen to Top 40 radio stations at all anymore?
I always thought that Billboard's listing was based solely on record sales. They kept track of jukebox plays?

I put more faith in the radio station charts. Most of those were based on local sales, requests and their own opinion (not very scientific, I know). Stations in the same market could have different song rankings but that should be more reflective of the stations particular audience preference.

I always had more interest in purchasing records that I had heard on the radio and liked after they were no longer being played on the radio anymore. Why rush out and buy a record that you could hear regularly for free.

I don't think that there are many top 40 stations left. Radio (top 40) started to go downhill in the mid seventies. The music became rather bland. AM had competition from FM, which was a different breed. I thought it odd when my new favourite FM station didn't countdown the previous years hits. They didn't rank them or put out charts either.

Today the radio market is splintered, each station trying to find its own niche. No station offers any variety. It's hard to listen to any of them for any extended time. They operate with very few people, no one home most of the time. You used to listen to the DJ as much as the music, like your friend or a member of the family.
 
The Hot 100 singles was definitely a mix of radio play and sales. And jukebox plays up until sometime in the 70s (I believe). The album chart was just sales.

There are definitely still top hit stations in almost every market. But music is all on the FM now. And I’d argue there have never been “variety” radio stations.

And most have few people. They are just playing nationally programmed playlists
 
And jukebox plays up until sometime in the 70s (I believe).
How did they do that? Did those old mechanical contraptions have a way to record what selections had been played?
And I’d argue there have never been “variety” radio stations.
Disagree, even the rock stations delved into folk, country, easy listening, soul. It was just music then. Music Radio! Check out the old radio station charts to see the great diversity. Some stations that were primarily rock programmed country for part of the day. Small market stations programmed everything imaginable, more like network TV.
 
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How did they do that? Did those old mechanical contraptions have a way to record what selections had been played?

Disagree, even the rock stations delved into folk, country, easy listening, soul. It was just music then. Music Radio! Check out the old radio station charts to see the great diversity.
Same way they kept track of record sales and radio play. They relied on the outlets to self-report.

And no. By the 70s radio stations were almost as segregated as they are now. Top 40. Oldies. Easy listening. Jazz. Classical.
 
Same way they kept track of record sales and radio play. They relied on the outlets to self-report.
Not very scientific, who did the reporting some drunk person in the bar or the overworked waiter or bartender?
Same way they kept track of record sales and radio play. They relied on the outlets to self-report.

And no. By the 70s radio stations were almost as segregated as they are now. Top 40. Oldies. Easy listening. Jazz. Classical.
The segregation happened later in the seventies as the result of FM completion. AM stations struggled, switching formats to country, news, talk, sports etc. In Canada the oldies format was reserved for AM, that kept some of the once top 40 stations alive for awhile. Eventually they all flipped to FM and adopted a new format. No oldies stations left around here.
 
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May 26, 1973

‘Q' Mess Reported By
78% of Dealers

By CLAUDE HALL & PAUL SIMON

LOS ANGELES
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A dealer educational campaign is drastically needed in regards to quadrasonic—and also an educational campaign at the consumer level—according to an extensive survey just conducted by the research division of Billboard Magazine.
The survey of 59 key dealers in the U.S.—all of them major dealers used in chart tabulations—revealed that most record customers who buy quadrasonic albums don't know whether they’re buying matrix or discrete albums. In fact, 78 percent of the dealers said their customers don't specify which system—whether matrix or discrete—when they buy albums. The two systems are not compatible, Each plays the other's product as ordinary stereo.
However, 15 percent of the dealers in the Billboard survey said their customers requested discrete albums specifically when they bought quadrasonic product, while only 7 percent of the dealers said their customers specifically asked for matrix.
The need for greater consumer and dealer education in quadrasonic was brought forth last week (Billboard. May 19) when RCA Records stated that many dealers were not stocking their compatible Quadradiscs in both stereo bins and quadrasonic displays.

This Billboard study now reveals that matrix albums obviously suffer the same handicap (CBS Records’ SQ albums are also compatible, though quadrasonic product is a dollar more in price than stereo: Sansui QS matrix LPs are compatible on stereo players and at least one label. Ovation Records, does not release a stereo version at all).
These facts were brought to light:
• A total of 64 percent of the dealers said they were only stocking quadrasonic albums in a separate quadrasonic section and not in the stereo bins as well.
• Only 19 percent of the dealers said they were stocking quadrasonic product in both stereo bins and quadrasonic displays.
• 17 percent of the dealers said they were stocking quadrasonic records only in the regular sterco bins.
• 64 percent said they were stocking quadrasonic albums in a separate section, but not also in the regular bins.
Fifty-nine major dealers were called in markets ranging from New York and Los Angeles to Seattle and Albuquerque, N.M. Twenty-one total markets were covered. Six of the total of 59 dealers called said they don't as yet stock quadrasonic product at all. One dealers said he handled quadrasonic product only on special order from a customer.
 
Not very scientific, who did the reporting some drunk person in the bar or the overworked waiter or bartender?
probably.

Trust me. Prior to the introduction of Soundscan ~1990, the reporting of sales by retail wasn't much different.
The segregation happened later in the seventies as the result of FM completion. AM stations struggled, switching formats to country, news, talk, sports etc. In Canada the oldies format was reserved for AM, that kept some of the once top 40 stations alive for awhile. Eventually they all flipped to FM and adopted a new format. No oldies stations left around here.

When I was a kid in Northern California in the early 70s, there were Top 40 stations. "Album rock". Oldies. Country. Easy listening. Jazz. Classical. Split between AM and FM.
 
May 19, 1973

Early & Consistent 'Q' Effort Pays

By BOB KIRSCH

ELKHART. Ind
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Pushing quadrasonic software and hardware in a town of 44,000 pays off just as much in consumer interest as in a large city, according to Jim Wood, owner of Greendoor Music Center here.
Wood moved into the quadrasonic field several years ago, "as soon as hardware and tapes were available,” he said. He has been moving into records as they become available.
We push quadrasonic through two demonstration rooms, each about 1,600 square feet, newspaper advertising, tie-ins with WXAX-FM which does some 4-channel broadcasting and various promotions," Wood added.
At present, the outlet carries quadrasonic hardware from firms such as JVC, Pioneer and Panasonic, all available 4-channel tapes and “as many quadrasonic disks as we can get," according to Wood.
Quadrasonic records are displayed on racks near the hardware and tapes are in a separate display market as 4-channel. "We keep JVC's demonstration tapes in each of their 4-channel units," Wood said, "and right now we estimate our sales are about evenly divided between 4-channel and stereo equipment. We were closer to 75 percent quadrasonic at Christmas.” Wood will also give away a quadrasonic disk with each hardware unit purchased, as well as a demonstration tape. "We may give away something as large as a tape deck if the consumer buys a really high-end unit.

'Home' Demonstration

Wood moved into quadrasonic initially simply because it was new. "Just because we're in a small town," he said, "doesn't mean we have to avoid keeping up with the times. We set up one of our demonstration rooms to look something like a living room, so the consumer can get some idea of what 4-channel will be like in his home. Our tapes have been the biggest software sellers so far, since this is what has been available. But as we get more disks in, we find they are beginning to move." The outlet has tried several promotional ideas in the past year, which Wood said have been successful. One, a continuing "promotion," is the pricing structure. “If a quadrasonic tape lists at $7.98 we sell it at $6.86 so the consumer pays an even $7.00 and avoids an odd penny on the tax. A 4-channel record at $6.96 sells at $5.88 so it's an even $6.00. Who wants to be stuck with a bunch of pennies?”
Wood has also given away a silver dollar with each $10 purchase and gave away a go-cart last year. "We use these rather than coupons." Wood added, "because someone is always losing a coupon or claiming they lost one.”
Greendoor employes three full-time staffers and is open from 10:00 AM to 6:00 PM four days a week. Hours are extended to 9:00 PM two days per week. The outlet has been operating since 1967, though Wood had been in the record business previously.
“I promoted stereo like quadrasonic and it paid off," he said. “I still do very well with stereo 8-track tapes but I'm only stocking records in 4-channel format. I'm convinced it's not a gimmick, and so are my customers.”
 
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