Oh yeah, you don't want to fall out with your kids... You never know when you'll need one of their kidneys!Well, unexpectedly, my offer on a Denon AVR-X5200W was accepted although, at 20 euro over my budget, I feel I should reassure @Owen Smith that my children should only have to susbsist on thin gruel for a few weeks in order to accomodate such extravagance