Jethro Tull "Living in the Past" CD/Blu-Ray Deluxe Edition out Summer 2025!

[DuncanS]

I'll get it, as it was the first Tull LP that I got, never bought it on CD.

 

[LuvMyQuad]

With respect to the Atmos vs non Atmos thing, i have mixed feelings. Some of you seem to have an Atmos or nothing mentality. Its your choice to feel that way, of course. But for me Atmos vs 5.1 is not all that.

A well done 5.1 mix beats out a meh Atmos mix every time. I can count on one hand (and still hold a spleef) the number of Atmos titles i have that actually provide true improvement over a 5.1 from the non Atmos years. So im not real gung ho to replace everything. The difference between previously released 5.1 and recently released Atmos of the same material is often a letdown for me. The improvement is often minimal and what was good placement in 5.1 can disappear.

Placing unrealistic discrete sound in height channels does nothing for me. These arent movies we are playing. I dont need stuff up there just because we can do it or because its cool, any more tha i need old school quad ping pong effects. Although, i agree, its cool.

I want to be clear, im talking about 5.1 from the era before Atmos. The 5.1 stuff that comes with new Atmos releases seems like an afterthought in a lot of cases, that is, if a dedecated 5.1 is even included at all.

That being said, height info used to reinforce and emphasize whats goung on in the mains can be very impresseve. Very, very impressive.

My best surround experiences do include some Atmos releases, there are also a lot of 5.1 in that bag. There is even some quad.

The best thing about Atmos is it produces more surround to enjoy. Surround that hasnt already been released.

For a stellar surround release, it dosent have to be Atmos. It just has to be well done.

YMMV

 

[marpow]

With respect to the Atmos vs non Atmos thing, i have mixed feelings. Some of you seem to have an Atmos or nothing mentality. Its your choice to feel that way, of course. But for me Atmos vs 5.1 is not all that.

A well done 5.1 mix beats out a meh Atmos mix every time. I can count on one hand (and still hold a spleef) the number of Atmos titles i have that actually provide true improvement over a 5.1 from the non Atmos years. So im not real gung ho to replace everything. The difference between previously released 5.1 and recently released Atmos of the same material is often a letdown for me. The improvement is often minimal and what was good placement in 5.1 can disappear.

Placing unrealistic discrete sound in height channels does nothing for me. These arent movies we are playing. I dont need stuff up there just because we can do it or because its cool, any more tha i need old school quad ping pong effects. Although, i agree, its cool.

I want to be clear, im talking about 5.1 from the era before Atmos. The 5.1 stuff that comes with new Atmos releases seems like an afterthought in a lot of cases, that is, if a dedecated 5.1 is even included at all.

That being said, height info used to reinforce and emphasize whats goung on in the mains can be very impresseve. Very, very impressive.

My best surround experiences do include some Atmos releases, there are also a lot of 5.1 in that bag. There is even some quad.

The best thing about Atmos is it produces more surround to enjoy. Surround that hasnt already been released.

For a stellar surround release, it dosent have to be Atmos. It just has to be well done.

YMMV

I agree with you 100%.
Many Atmos titles I listen, and think, this isn't that good, then I listen to the same in 5.1 and think, if you are a person that does not have Atmos you are not missing anything at all.
Most recent, Pearl Jam's-Dark Matter-the 5.1 is the way to go.
I am lucky enough to have a 4 channel amp for my 4 heights, it has VU meters for activity but also has a signal strength light that when the Atmos signal is strong the light is on. I am able also to turn off all channels except the 4 heights, and sometimes, there is barely nothing at the top, but the foundation is highly active.
I feel lucky enough to like music first and how it is delivered second, I listen to stereo daily.

 

[sjcorne]

A well done 5.1 mix beats out a meh Atmos mix every time. I can count on one hand (and still hold a spleef) the number of Atmos titles i have that actually provide true improvement over a 5.1 from the non Atmos years. So im not real gung ho to replace everything. The difference between previously released 5.1 and recently released Atmos of the same material is often a letdown for me. The improvement is often minimal and what was good placement in 5.1 can disappear.

But this is a Steven Wilson project, and I can't think of a single Atmos mix he's done that hasn't represented an improvement from its 5.1 counterpart. Plus, his 5.1 mixes of most (all?) of the songs on this compilation have already been released across the various prior bookset editions. I would've liked to see what he could do with these tracks in a larger space, especially since this is being released on Blu-Ray.

 

[J. PUPSTER]

Living In The Past-Blu-Ray dance. Was my first Tull album with Thick As A Brick.

Seems to have been the first for a lot of us here

I always loved that lightly embossed (almost leather/blood red like) LP cover with the Gold lettering; one of my favorite album covers!

With Steven Wilson at the helm, an instant purchase (once it gets out of Spain - )

 

[srbjab]

I would say sure, if you never owned the Living In The Past LP or CD, and have not purchased the deluxe booksets and other compilations that cover the same time period, then this expensive release is worthwhile. But if like me, you already own most if not all of this content in stereo or 5.1, then the reasons for purchase are far less compelling. I also don't agree that Atmos usually provides minimal benefits over 5.1. If you compare apples to apples, I think a good Atmos mix will trounce a 5.1 mix, even a good one. In my experience, it's rare to encounter an Atmos mix that is noticeably inferior to a 5.1 mix, although they do exist. It's more than just adding height channels. It's also the combination of both side and rear surrounds which can make a huge difference in providing a larger three dimensional space with much smoother panning. That's why I usually listen to both stereo and 5.1 recordings with the Dolby upmixer engaged. But as always, YMMV.

 

[scooob]

Seems to have been the first for a lot of us here

I always loved that lightly embossed (almost leather/blood red like) LP cover with the Gold lettering; one of my favorite album covers!

With Steven Wilson at the helm, an instant purchase (once it gets out of Spain - )

If it's $80 (as it appears from the Spanish pre-order linked earlier), there's no way I'm going for this, at least when first released. I have all the previous booksets, so I already have most of what's on here. I do have a nostalgic affection for Living In The Past, one of my early Tull album acquisitions as a teen, but there has to be a limit.

Broadsword, which I did buy fairly soon after release after getting a 10% off deal at DeepDiscount making it about $61 + tax, was worth it for me, given all the bonus material that had never been in surround before. Right now though, it's going for $47.62 at Amazon, which is a price I might be willing to shell out for LITP, assuming the 5.1 material is lossless. I'm willing to wait a year or two for that.

 

[LuvMyQuad]

I also don't agree that Atmos usually provides minimal benefits over 5.1. If you compare apples to apples, I think a good Atmos mix will trounce a 5.1 mix, even a good one.

Do you have examples? The best i can think of are the two Pink Floyd albums, the Van Morrison Moondance album, Yoshimi, some of the Elton John stuff, and Ziggy, They do provide clear improvements for me, but the degree of that improvement varies quite a bit across them

In my experience, it's rare to encounter an Atmos mix that is noticeably inferior to a 5.1 mix, although they do exist.

I never said inferior. Just not bettered enough to warrant the investment to repurchase them. But we can agree to disagree.

 

[GOS]

But we can agree to disagree.

I'm going to agree, to letting you guys agree to disagree.

 

[LuvMyQuad]

But this is a Steven Wilson project, and I can't think of a single Atmos mix he's done that hasn't represented an improvement from its 5.1 counterpart.

I know you know this stuff. What has he remixed in Atmos that he had already previously mixed in 5.1?

 

[srbjab]

Here's a few to dig into off the top of my head:
King Crimson: In The Court Of..., Larks Tongues In Aspic, Red
Yes: The Yes Album, Fragile
Steven Wilson & Mikael Åkerfeldt: Storm Corrosion

 

[sjcorne]

I know you know this stuff. What has he remixed in Atmos that he had already previously mixed in 5.1?

XTC - Skylarking
King Crimson - In The Court
King Crimson - Larks Tongues In Aspic
King Crimson - Red
Yes - The Yes Album
Yes - Fragile
Storm Corrosion - Storm Corrosion