Listening to in Dolby Atmos Streaming, via Tidal/Apple/Amazon

[humprof]

Too bad no “A Horse With No Name” yet.

Previous America tracks were WEA fake Atmos--basically all-channel stereo. What about these ones?

 

[LennonCobain]

Previous America tracks were WEA fake Atmos--basically all-channel stereo. What about these ones?

Are you sure they were all fake? I recall Sister Golden Hair and Ventura Highway being discrete.

 

[fredblue]

Are you sure they were all fake? I recall Sister Golden Hair and Ventura Highway being discrete.

is that the version of Ventura Highway with the mysterious weirdly-tracked vocals?

 

[humprof]

Are you sure they were all fake? I recall Sister Golden Hair and Ventura Highway being discrete.

Not totally sure, no (now that you call me on it!). . .

is that the version of Ventura Highway with the mysterious weirdly-tracked vocals?

Maybe that's what I'm remembering. I thought there was something hinky about Sister Golden Hair, too, but I'd be glad to be wrong about that one. I'll double check.

 

[mkt]

 

[humprof]

Not totally sure, no (now that you call me on it!). . .



Maybe that's what I'm remembering. I thought there was something hinky about Sister Golden Hair, too, but I'd be glad to be wrong about that one. I'll double check.

Actually, it looks like pretty much all of History and Complete Greatest Hits are now nominally in Atmos. "Horse With No Name" and "Sandman" are missing from the first compilation; "Horse" and the last few tracks from the second. I haven't really auditioned either one yet.

 

[sjcorne]

Actually, it looks like pretty much all of History and Complete Greatest Hits are now nominally in Atmos. "Horse With No Name" and "Sandman" are missing from the first compilation; "Horse" and the last few tracks from the second. I haven't really auditioned either one yet.

Yep, adding only tracks 2-15 to my library made the Atmos badge show up:

 

[sjcorne]

Are you sure they were all fake? I recall Sister Golden Hair and Ventura Highway being discrete.

"Sister Golden Hair" is definitely real, the backing vocals are only in the rear surrounds and all the dry lead vocal is isolated in the center speaker (if you mute the center, you just hear the reverbs). If not for the weird double-tracked vocals, I'd say "Ventura Highway" is a fake. All other tracks on The Complete Greatest Hits appear to be fakes as well.

 

[humprof]

Carly Rae Jepsen review here:

 

[Misterbee]

Previous America tracks were WEA fake Atmos--basically all-channel stereo. What about these ones?

“Sandman” from ‘The Complete Greatest Hits’ is definitely *not* fake!

 

[sjcorne]

“Sandman” from ‘The Complete Greatest Hits’ is definitely *not* fake!

It sounds fake to me, each different pair of channels (sides, rears, front heights, rear heights) seem to have exactly the same content as the fronts - the original stereo mix - repeated at different levels. The center is a low-level mono summation of the fronts. There might be a bit of EQ trickery involved - the front channels seem to have the most bass - and maybe they've added some reverb to the sides/rears, but I see no evidence that multitracks were used to create this Atmos mix.

To add insult to injury, copy/pasting the stereo mix into different channels is about the laziest way to make an upmix nowadays. One can achieve pretty convincing results with software tools like Penteo or Izotope Music Rebalance.

 

[Misterbee]

It sounds fake to me, each different pair of channels (sides, rears, front heights, rear heights) seem to have exactly the same content as the fronts - the original stereo mix - repeated at different levels. The center is a low-level mono summation of the fronts. There might be a bit of EQ trickery involved - the front channels seem to have the most bass - and maybe they've added some reverb to the sides/rears, but I see no evidence that multitracks were used to create this Atmos mix.

To add insult to injury, copy/pasting the stereo mix into different channels is about the laziest way to make an upmix nowadays. One can achieve pretty convincing results with software tools like Penteo or Izotope Music Rebalance.

Well, I guess you are hearing things that I am not hearing, then!

 

[scooob]

 

[humprof]

I hate to break it to you, but...
https://www.quadraphonicquad.com/fo...atmos-upmixing-unacceptable.32866/post-656272

 

[scooob]

I hate to break it to you, but...
https://www.quadraphonicquad.com/fo...atmos-upmixing-unacceptable.32866/post-656272

Yeah I know, I'm listening to them right now.

I'm as frustrated with the flood of Warner fakes as anyone, but, but... for mid-century music like these Mingus tracks, which probably were recorded to 3-track, how good could an Atmos mix have possibly been? Better than these fakes, granted, but when I A/B them against the fronts-only stereo versions, I choose to hear the fakes. It would be nice for Warner to at least use some stem-generation software to make better fakes, when multitracks genuinely aren't available, but I have to admit when I listen to some of these fakes, I find them an interesting-enough alternative to front-only stereo to keep me from shutting them off. Especially for tracks I'm not too familiar with, like these Mingus cuts.

Heresy, perhaps... should I refrain from posting any fakes here? I usually only post in this thread when I occasionally stumble across something that I haven't already seen posted, and is from a genre that I'm interested in (i.e. not modern pop, hip hop, country, etc.), and that I think someone else here might not know about but would like to.

 

[humprof]

Yeah I know, I'm listening to them right now.

I'm as frustrated with the flood of Warner fakes as anyone, but, but... for mid-century music like these Mingus tracks, which probably were recorded to 3-track, how good could an Atmos mix have possibly been? Better than these fakes, granted, but when I A/B them against the fronts-only stereo versions, I choose to hear the fakes. It would be nice for Warner to at least use some stem-generation software to make better fakes, when multitracks genuinely aren't available, but I have to admit when I listen to some of these fakes, I find them an interesting-enough alternative to front-only stereo to keep me from shutting them off. Especially for tracks I'm not too familiar with, like these Mingus cuts.

Heresy, perhaps... should I refrain from posting any fakes here? I usually only post in this thread when I occasionally stumble across something that I haven't already seen posted, and is from a genre that I'm interested in (i.e. not modern pop, hip hop, country, etc.), and that I think someone else here might not know about but would like to.

I hear you. And if it helps you get deeper into Mingus, then it's to the good. I have trouble listening to just two speakers these days, too. TBH, the "All-Channel Stereo" DSP on my receiver was for many years my default listening mode for stereo sources--until I discovered how good the Dolby Surround Upmixer with center spread is. And the DSU does a more compelling job than these witless fakes. I mean, if they want to go to the trouble of slapping an "Atmos" label on legacy material but there are no multis, then why not use any number of available demix technologies, or even Penteo? Or just settle on the recreated-studio-reverb thing, like Steve Genewick does with the vintage Blue Notes. Not very exciting, to my ears, but at least it's an aesthetic choice.

Anyway: don't refrain from posting! You can always count on spoilsports like me to add a "trigger warning"...

 

[CINERAMAX]

The latest DSU on some Marantz is wonderful. Sounds like Atmos at times...

 

[beerking]

Nessa has released a little gem here....imo

 

[beerking]

This one is good too...imo

 

[perzon57]

Was trying to play some Atmos music on the ATV, but all the albums in my library was stereo! Tried a restart, but no help. I'm on the latest software. Tried a BD with Atmos, and it played fine, so the ATV is the problem.