Listening to now (In Surround!) - Volume 1

[ctc4001]

The Best Of Bread EQ-5056 Electra 1973 CD-4 another nice recording.

 

[bossfan]

The Last Waltz DVD Audio. Great concert.

 

[bmoura]

Some Film Music in Surround Sound with the Surround Master:

• Cinema Italiano: The Music of Ennio Morricone & Nino Rota - Henry Mancini & the Mancini Pops Orchestra [Dolby Surround Encoded] (RCA Victor 60706)
• Moon River - Henry Mancini & His Orchestra [Dolby Surround Encoded] (RCA Victor 61513)

 

[bmoura]

Two albums in 5.1 SACD Surround Sound:

• Poncho Sanchez with Ray Charles, Sam Moore, Billy Preston, Pee Wee Ellis, Fred Wesley, Francisco Aguabella - Out of Sight! (Concord Picante SACD-1031-6)
• Roy Orbison with Friends: Jackson Browne, T Bone Burnett, Elvis Costello, k.d. Lang, Bonnie Raitt, J.D. Souther, Bruce Springsteen, Tom Waits & Jennifer Warren (Image ID 2770 OB DVD)

 

[chucky3042]

Hi

Interestingly, on the Roy Orbinson B+W the female chior is located to the front right on stage, the 5 channel puts them in the rear right. When you decode the same DVD using the Surround Master via the L/R down mix they are located in the correct position on the front right of the stage. My point is the "engineers" do not always get it right on discrete!!!!

Regards

Chucky

Two albums in 5.1 SACD Surround Sound:

• Poncho Sanchez with Ray Charles, Sam Moore, Billy Preston, Pee Wee Ellis, Fred Wesley, Francisco Aguabella - Out of Sight! (Concord Picante SACD-1031-6)
• Roy Orbison with Friends: Jackson Browne, T Bone Burnett, Elvis Costello, k.d. Lang, Bonnie Raitt, J.D. Souther, Bruce Springsteen, Tom Waits & Jennifer Warren (Image ID 2770 OB DVD)

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[bmoura]

Interestingly, on the Roy Orbinson B+W the female chior is located to the front right on stage, the 5 channel puts them in the rear right. When you decode the same DVD using the Surround Master via the L/R down mix they are located in the correct position on the front right of the stage. My point is the "engineers" do not always get it right on discrete!!!!

I'd say that Elliot Scheiner's decision to mix the choir on Black & White Night into the Surround Channels is an artistic decision. Ditto for the Organ solo in the Right Surround Channel. I like the results he comes up with. So I'd rate that ahead of the Surround Master. But again, everyone's musical tastes may vary......

 

[fredblue]

didn't the Surround Master steer the Telarc Surround Sounds Spatializer/Surround Sound CD's Channel Check/ ID tracks the wrong way round (swapping front for rear/vice versa) when you tried it out, bmoura?

not trying to start anything, just sayin'... :spot

 

[user 1679]

The Vicar - Songbook #1

 

[bmoura]

didn't the Surround Master steer the Telarc Surround Sounds Spatializer/Surround Sound CD's Channel Check/ ID tracks the wrong way round (swapping front for rear/vice versa) when you tried it out, bmoura?

not trying to start anything, just sayin'... :spot

If people are ready to buy a Surround Master Deluxe which had modes for Dolby Surround, Spatializer, QSound, etc. such a product could be made. But I wonder if there would be interest in a higher priced processor.
After all, even putting SQ on the Surround Master added $100 to the price of that QQ Special Edition product.

Food for thought.....

 

[Disclord]

If people are ready to buy a Surround Master Deluxe which had modes for Dolby Surround, Spatializer, QSound, etc. such a product could be made. But I wonder if there would be interest in a higher priced processor.
After all, even putting SQ on the Surround Master added $100 to the price of that QQ Special Edition product.

Food for thought.....

Spatializer and QSound are not surround encoding formats that are meant to be decoded - they are 2channel 'virtual' surround systems that are meant to be listened to in stereo. That's not to say that they don't create unique effects when passed through a decoder, but there is no decoding system for them since they are psychoacoustic 2 channel systems - personally, I can't hear the effects of QSound or any 2 channel fake surround system, but I DO like what the Spatializer system does to stereo sources when preprocessed and sent through a surround decoder. I love my Desper Spatializer unit.

 

[bmoura]

Two favorites in 5.1 SACD Surround Sound.....

• The Police - Every Breath You Take - The Classics (A&M 0694 93607 2)
• The Rolling Stones - Sympathy for the Devil - 5.1 Surround Sound Remixes (Abkco 18771 9666 2)

Amazingly, new copies of the 5.1 Rolling Stones SACD Remixes disc are still available on Amazon.Com for only $6.50. Wow.....

 

[chucky3042]

Hi Bmoura

I fully agree that it was the recording "engineers" decision to put the choir in the right rear but I guess I get disturbed when the sound does not match the visuals. That is the main reason I hate center channels as it puts the vocals below the screen not within the screen. I guess we all have things that bug us.

Regards

Chucky

I'd say that Elliot Scheiner's decision to mix the choir on Black & White Night into the Surround Channels is an artistic decision. Ditto for the Organ solo in the Right Surround Channel. I like the results he comes up with. So I'd rate that ahead of the Surround Master. But again, everyone's musical tastes may vary......

 

[Q8]

It seems to me that QS/Involve almost always will keep the vocals in front when synthesizing from a stereo source.

 

[hwkn]

The Eagles-Hotel California[DVD-A]

 

[IMachine]

Ladysmith Black Mambazo - Long Walk To Freedom. SACD.

 

[bmoura]

Ladysmith Black Mambazo - Long Walk To Freedom. SACD.

Ah, that's a good one in 5.1 SACD Surround Sound !

 

[bmoura]

Two from Eric Clapton in 5.1 SACD Surround Sound:

• Eric Clapton - 461 Ocean Boulevard (Polydor B-0003638-36)
• Eric Clapton - Slowhand (Polydor B-0003639-36)

Both still available as SACD Surround Sound SACDs.

 

[IMachine]

Two from Eric Clapton in 5.1 SACD Surround Sound:

• Eric Clapton - 461 Ocean Boulevard (Polydor B-0003638-36)
• Eric Clapton - Slowhand (Polydor B-0003639-36)

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Both still available as SACD Surround Sound SACDs.

461 Ocean Boulevard...fantastic! :banana:

 

[Disclord]

Listening to the SQ Quadraphonic Gala on the Involve SQ unit - I found I get MUCH better SQ decoding using the basic 4-channel outs w/sub - I have the center channel output hooked up but not its L/R outputs as they don't seem to be correct in SQ decoding. The center is at a low level, just enough to harden the CF. Annie and Chase sound incredible and the Fosgate Surround mode into the involve SQ creates a superb 270 surround effect.

 

[Owen Smith]

Listening to the SQ Quadraphonic Gala on the Involve SQ unit - I found I get MUCH better SQ decoding using the basic 4-channel outs w/sub - I have the center channel output hooked up but not its L/R outputs as they don't seem to be correct in SQ decoding. The center is at a low level, just enough to harden the CF. Annie and Chase sound incredible and the Fosgate Surround mode into the involve SQ creates a superb 270 surround effect.

A lot of people are seeing the Surround Master as a replacement for a Tate, not an add on. I have no vintage quad kit and wouldn't know how to start getting it refurbished in the UK. Is the Tate plus Surround Master combination really that much better than either unit on its own? If I had a Tate and it was working fine, why would I want a Surround Master as well? (excrpt for QS decoding).

PS. Welcome back, nice to see your informative posts again.