Listening to Now (In Surround) - Volume 2

[kap'n krunch]

this weekend I felt like it...my girl was saying"...feeling like listening to depressing music?"...but I digress.. Not the best MCH mix, but the surrounds are used quite a bit!

 

[svengaleekie]

Elton John - Madman Across the Water, Tumbleweed Connection & Peachtree Road Sacds

 

[Spock]

 

[sbrom]

Peachtree Road worth picking up? The one EJ surround title I'm missing.

Thanks!

Elton John - Madman Across the Water, Tumbleweed Connection & Peachtree Road Sacds

 

[svengaleekie]

Peachtree Road worth picking up? The one EJ surround title I'm missing.

Thanks!

I have to admit I have not listened to this in a while, in my opinion it's not one of their (Elton & Taupin) strongest efforts and I never warmed up to it. but on this mornings listen I enjoyed it much more. I particularly liked Porch Swing in Tupelo and Turn the Lights Out and the overall sound and surround mix is very good.
It is still available on Amazon or ebay for prices that likely won't break the bank, so I'd say go for it to complete your collection.

 

[svengaleekie]

Doubletake "The Great EsWhat"!! Escape surely

 

[Spock]

Doubletake "The Great EsWhat"!! Escape surely

Fixed, thanks :banana:

Or maybe he really was super happy with his french car:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_Espace
@:

 

[GOS]

Pepper 5.1

Yes, again. I really like this.

 

[sbrom]

Thanks! I have the live CD's, picked them up about a year ago. Sound quality is poor, but it brings back fond memories. Bill Chase was very friendly. I saw his show with three other HS trumpet players. At intermission he talked with us about his trumpet and mouthpiece choices!

Steve

I agree, the Chase quads (especially Pure Music) are fantastic. The self-titled album is a little gimmicky (in a good way) but Pure Music has to be amongst the best of the mid-70s Columbia quads. I always felt like the emergence of jazz-fusion gave Chase a second lease on life, you can only imagine what a '75 follow up to Pure Music may have been like.

sbrom - about 15 years ago there were a bunch of Chase live CD's from '73/'74 released and they're really good. I don't know if they're still available anywhere, but there is info about them available on discogs.

There's also a seemingly complete video (with stereo sound!) of a fantastic showcase gig at Faces Nightclub in Chicago on Feb. 28th, 1974 on youtube:

[video=youtube;-X9myw6qA-0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X9myw6qA-0[/video]

 

[sbrom]

I have the BGO 3-fer Chase CD's, but I don't have an SQ decoder.

Can you help me by identifying a couple spots with the circular demos?

Some have said that DPLII can be used as a poor-man's decoder. My Yamaha RX-A2050 has three DPLII modes: Movie, Music, and Game.

Maybe one of them will come close to the real thing.....

Thanks,
sbrom (Steve)

Oi !!

Just gave this a re-spin the other day . There is far too much going on in the rears and it provides circular demos , for this cd not to be encoded .
SQ QUAD encoded CD , imho.-both Pure Music and Chase (first album).




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[skherbeck]

Tonight's Random Surround Playlist:

Jeff Beck "Freeway Jam" (Blow By Blow SACD) Great song, great mix, great bass, great drums, GREAT guitar!
The Beatles "Medley: Strawberry Fields, Piggies, Tomorrow Never Knows, Within You Without You, Lucy in The Sky With Diamonds, Octopusses Garden, Sun King, Lady Madonna" (Love DVD-A)
E.L.P. "Hoedown" (Trilogy DVD-A)
Santana "Para Los Rumberos" (Santana III Q8)
Bread "Diary" (Best Of Bread SACD) Holy shit, what a sad song.
Foreigner "Blue Morning, Blue Day"
Paul McCartney "Mull Of Kintyre" (The McCartney Years DVD-V
Jethro Tull "Nothing To Say" (Benefit DTS DVD)
Eric Clapton "High" (Give Me Strength BD-A)
Fleetwood Mac "Gypsy" (Mirage DVD-V)
Roy Orbison "Only The Lonely" (Black & White Night DVD-A)
Eric Clapton "Opposites" (Give Me Strength BD-A) Reminds me a bit of "Happy Returns" by Steven Wilson

Another great night of listening... random playlists are becoming my favorite!

 

[Spock]

Kraftwerk (or Krautwürst - as GOS calls them :banana: ) playing Tour de France

Only one month to the real thing starts :banana: - been watching the race almost each year since the early 90's - so a big fan.

 

[John Svensson]

Trying to figure out how to import a DBS city bike to Pennsylvania to add to my stable of 8 other bicycles. Yes, I'm a Tour fan also, and of the Krautwurst tune.

 

[Spock]

Trying to figure out how to import a DBS city bike to Pennsylvania to add to my stable of 8 other bicycles. Yes, I'm a Tour fan also, and of the Krautwurst tune.

A DBS bike? That's cool

I don't do much cycling myself, but love to follow the grand cycling tours. Giro d'Italia was great this year, I bet Jan(Bakker) noticed who won :banana::banana:

 

[John Svensson]

A DBS bike? That's cool

I borrowed and rode one last summer in Sweden, a classic bicycle for riding around town as long as the grades are not too steep. Sorrow for taking the thread into the nether regions.... I've been listening to "Songs from the Wood", haven't pulled the trigger on Pepper. If it were just the 5.1 mix I wouldn't, maybe all the outtake material will win me over.

 

[Spock]

A DBS bike? That's cool

I borrowed and rode one last summer in Sweden, a classic bicycle for riding around town as long as the grades are not too steep. Sorrow for taking the thread into the nether regions.... I've been listening to "Songs from the Wood", haven't pulled the trigger on Pepper. If it were just the 5.1 mix I wouldn't, maybe all the outtake material will win me over.

I think I would go for an electric type of bike, if I was in for a new one in the future..

I have Sgt Pepper en route from Amazon.de, but reading the Pepper thread - my expectations are low - so I will be happy if it isn't perfect. But I have been getting allergic to low DR and hot recordings... It's the good ones that ruins it - it shows you how good your equipment really can perform - and you don't forget that!

It's country time now - Lee Ann Womack - Greatest Hits SACD, very nice recording.

 

[fredblue]

I have the BGO 3-fer Chase CD's, but I don't have an SQ decoder.

Can you help me by identifying a couple spots with the circular demos?

Some have said that DPLII can be used as a poor-man's decoder. My Yamaha RX-A2050 has three DPLII modes: Movie, Music, and Game.

Maybe one of them will come close to the real thing.....

Thanks,
sbrom (Steve)

maybe I can lend a hand. DPLII won't get the channel placement right but there should be a lot of interplay back and forth from front to back throughout the whole album, with all the phase encoded stuff going on, should be immediately noticeable if the BGO is the SQ Quad, even with DPLII, even if things won't pop up in the right places.

wrt circular panning, the first track has slow steady 360 clockwise panning of multiple instruments one after the other from 1:34 to 4:35..
this is the panning I detected in those approx 3 minutes = FL > FR > SR > SL > FL > FR > SR > SL > FL > CF > FR > SR > SL > FL > FR > SR > SL > FL > FR > SR > SL > FL > FR > SR > SL > FL > FR > SR > SL etc
(its an amazing effect, much less gimmicky than the 360 panning used in the 1st Chase album in Quad which maybe impressive but is borderline gratuitous just to show off for the heck of it imho, on this album in Quad the 360 panning is used in a really musical way.. even in SQ decoded form thru the Surround Master the effect is wonderful)

another placement cue, in Trk 2, there's an electric guitar solo (2:10 to 2:24) which should come from Surround Left.

the final track has a load more 360 panning throughout, incl. an electric guitar walking around the room (3:12 to 4:16) FR>SR>SL>FL>FR>SR>SL>FL, then a guitar pops up in Surround Right, followed by synths that do the 360 slow pan again (4:23 to 6:00) FL>FR>SR>SL pattern again and again for approx 1min 40.

brilliant album, brilliant Quad. i wish wish wish DV or someone would get it out in discrete surround from the Quad mastertapes.
for me its one of the all time best Quad mixes.

 

[JanBakker]

A DBS bike? That's cool

I don't do much cycling myself, but love to follow the grand cycling tours. Giro d'Italia was great this year, I bet Jan(Bakker) noticed who won :banana::banana:

I did :banana:.

 

[Spock]

Weird.. hehe

 

[sbrom]

Thanks Fred, this is very helpful. Based on your description of the true surround mix, and careful listening with DPLII, the BGO release seems to have SQ encoding.

DPLII with the BGO Pure Music release results in a very open sound field. A lot of activity in the surrounds and lateral extension in the fronts. No explicit circular panning in track 1, but there is subtle movement of individual instruments front and back throughout.

Track 2 with the guitar solo is exactly as you describe except I hear the guitar in SR insteaf of SL. You mentioned that placement with DPLII may not be exact. I'll take it though!

Final track: WOW. Always my favorite Chase track. Panning for sure, especially the synthesizer - very strong as it moves about the room.

I'm with you regarding the quality of this album. It really is "pure music". Surround or not, it represents one of the best integrations of brass, synthesizer, guitar, bass, and percussion I've ever heard. Maybe I'm prejudiced because of my personal relationship to the music. To me Chase's musical and technical growth across the three studio albums was dramatic. There was a version of MacArthur Park (saw it live) destined for the next album. Imagine what an incredible album that would have been if not for tragedy.

Yes, I'd pay dearly for a DV Chase release

Thanks again,
Steve (sbrom)
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P.S. - I also have an earlier CD release (1997) with both Ennea and Pure Music. As far as I can tell it has the SQ encoding too. It is mastered 9 dB louder than the BGO release. Doesn't sound near as good as BGO.

maybe I can lend a hand. DPLII won't get the channel placement right but there should be a lot of interplay back and forth from front to back throughout the whole album, with all the phase encoded stuff going on, should be immediately noticeable if the BGO is the SQ Quad, even with DPLII, even if things won't pop up in the right places.

wrt circular panning, the first track has slow steady 360 clockwise panning of multiple instruments one after the other from 1:34 to 4:35..
this is the panning I detected in those approx 3 minutes = FL > FR > SR > SL > FL > FR > SR > SL > FL > CF > FR > SR > SL > FL > FR > SR > SL > FL > FR > SR > SL > FL > FR > SR > SL > FL > FR > SR > SL etc
(its an amazing effect, much less gimmicky than the 360 panning used in the 1st Chase album in Quad which maybe impressive but is borderline gratuitous just to show off for the heck of it imho, on this album in Quad the 360 panning is used in a really musical way.. even in SQ decoded form thru the Surround Master the effect is wonderful)

another placement cue, in Trk 2, there's an electric guitar solo (2:10 to 2:24) which should come from Surround Left.

the final track has a load more 360 panning throughout, incl. an electric guitar walking around the room (3:12 to 4:16) FR>SR>SL>FL>FR>SR>SL>FL, then a guitar pops up in Surround Right, followed by synths that do the 360 slow pan again (4:23 to 6:00) FL>FR>SR>SL pattern again and again for approx 1min 40.

brilliant album, brilliant Quad. i wish wish wish DV or someone would get it out in discrete surround from the Quad mastertapes.
for me its one of the all time best Quad mixes.