It's the curse of having "Box" in the title, right? (Same thing happened with Don Sebesky's Giant Box.) Can anybody name another one, for the trifecta?
New DV Releases for January 2021! (Mott the Hoople, BTO, Burton Cummings, Grover Washington Jr!)
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It's the curse of having "Box" in the title, right? (Same thing happened with Don Sebesky's Giant Box.) Can anybody name another one, for the trifecta?
I just realized...this was lost in the Universal fire, wasn't it?
I don't know for sure either way, but I think it's just as likely it was "lost" in the fog of war during the CTI bankruptcy.
The nutshell version of this is that CTI tried to set up their own distribution network after Deodato's self-titled album went gangbusters, but within a year it had crumbled - CTI turned to Motown to distribute their releases after that, but the relationship turned sour within a year or two, with CTI accusing Motown of not fulfilling their promises, and withholding payment etc. and filing lawsuits against each other for breach of contract. Subsequent to that, CTI went bankrupt (I think maybe circa 1978) and since they had no money, when the judge ruled in favour of Motown in the lawsuit, he awarded the rights to all of Washington, Jr's CTI masters to Motown as compensation for what they were owed by CTI. It wouldn't surprise me given the acrimonious circumstances that if, in the handover of assets from CTI to Motown, they weren't entirely forthright about how many tapes they held - obviously they'd have to hand over the stereo masters and multitracks, but I doubt (m)any people would be asking about quad masters in 1978 or 1979. It's equally possible that the quad tapes were junked at some point before the handover to save storage costs since CTI was teetering on the brink of collapse and the format was considered dead by that point. There's also the remote possibility that the quad masters were simply mislabelled, misfiled, or in unlabelled boxes and are just sitting somewhere waiting to be found, which could possibly never happen considering UMG holds north of three million tape assets across their various vaults.
In the meantime, Washington, Jr. had moved to Motown himself, and I think he recorded 2 or 3 albums for them before moving again to Elektra, where he recorded a bunch more albums (including Winelight, in 1980) before moving to Columbia in 1983 or so.
As far as I know, the Motown masters are somewhere on the Eastern Seaboard - I recall reading an older article that suggested they were in New Jersey or something, but that may have changed. I would presume that Washington, Jr's acquired CTI masters would probably be stored along with his Motown masters there. The fact that this new release contains the stereo mix from the master tapes suggests that the issue with the missing quad tapes isn't fire related.
DV have issued a few other CTI quad masters iirc right? The George Benson was a true master used, no?
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Ordered BTO & Mott the Hoople yesterday. With rock albums such as this gives me hope that DV will put out the Quad mixes of Nektar’s Down to Earth and BOC’s Tryanny and Mutation.
Almost fell on the floor over Mott The Hoople, then realized most tracks are stereo only 
The Mott the Hoople is a must buy for me! 
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The minute I saw the list, ordered; BTO, Mott, Grover Washington, Jr. And for good measure George Benson too.
I literally just got done ripping the last batch to the hard drive two days ago, and then yesterday they announce the next group. DV's timing is almost scary.
@humprof I just followed up on this and can confirm that Anthony Salvatore did the quad mixes of all three of these albums (Auger only acted as the recording engineer on Beethoven Symphony No.3) with producer Richard Mohr acting as the quad remix supervisor for all of them too.
Ordered just now:
Mott the Hoople • The Hoople, All the Young Dudes & Mott [SACD Hybrid Multi-Channel/Stereo]
LEONARD BERNSTEIN CONDUCTS STRAVINSKY • The Rite of Spring/Symphony of Psalms & POULENC • Gloria [SACD Hybrid Multi-Channel]
BOULEZ CONDUCTS BARTÓK • The Wooden Prince & Dance Suite [SACD Hybrid Multi-channel]
Mott the Hoople • The Hoople, All the Young Dudes & Mott [SACD Hybrid Multi-Channel/Stereo]
LEONARD BERNSTEIN CONDUCTS STRAVINSKY • The Rite of Spring/Symphony of Psalms & POULENC • Gloria [SACD Hybrid Multi-Channel]
BOULEZ CONDUCTS BARTÓK • The Wooden Prince & Dance Suite [SACD Hybrid Multi-channel]
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I don't know how I keep missing the day these are announced, but I am very happy to see more popular and classical remasters from Dutton for this month!
I ordered what I could. The only shocker is that I skipped Burton Cummings, because his solo stuff generally sounds a bit too soft for me, to the point that his version of "You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet" almost sounded like a parody, if I may be so arrogant! On the other hand, the BTO two-fer and the Mott the Hoople three-fer (!) are close enough to what I like.I sampled some of Soul Box and I want to hear that in quad, so it was an easy addition.
Since I wanted to buy more than two or three, I "threw in" the Stokowski Mahler 2, which should, if my sums are correct, be over 80 minutes in length, despite somehow being a single disc this time and still only £11.99!. Opinions on it seem slightly divided, as Stokowski would have been 92 when it was recorded in July/August 1974, but most say it is excellent, and Stokowski of course has the distinction of being Mahler's contemporary and conducting the American premiere of his Eighth Symphony in 1916 (less than five years after the composer died), so I'm curious to hear this late version of Mahler's Second from him. The back cover says that the quad mix was done in 1975 as a "remix" which is a little curious, as I'd thought it was recorded for quad originally. I'm also unclear on if the stereo LP was released earlier in 1975 and then the quad mix was done and released later that same year, or if the stereo and quad releases were brought out at the same time.
Anyway, I was looking into the recording and I found an interesting review of it from the original CD box set put out by BMG in 1997:
I ordered what I could. The only shocker is that I skipped Burton Cummings, because his solo stuff generally sounds a bit too soft for me, to the point that his version of "You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet" almost sounded like a parody, if I may be so arrogant! On the other hand, the BTO two-fer and the Mott the Hoople three-fer (!) are close enough to what I like.I sampled some of Soul Box and I want to hear that in quad, so it was an easy addition.
Since I wanted to buy more than two or three, I "threw in" the Stokowski Mahler 2, which should, if my sums are correct, be over 80 minutes in length, despite somehow being a single disc this time and still only £11.99!. Opinions on it seem slightly divided, as Stokowski would have been 92 when it was recorded in July/August 1974, but most say it is excellent, and Stokowski of course has the distinction of being Mahler's contemporary and conducting the American premiere of his Eighth Symphony in 1916 (less than five years after the composer died), so I'm curious to hear this late version of Mahler's Second from him. The back cover says that the quad mix was done in 1975 as a "remix" which is a little curious, as I'd thought it was recorded for quad originally. I'm also unclear on if the stereo LP was released earlier in 1975 and then the quad mix was done and released later that same year, or if the stereo and quad releases were brought out at the same time.
Anyway, I was looking into the recording and I found an interesting review of it from the original CD box set put out by BMG in 1997:
Not a shocker at all really.
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Ordered yesterday
Grover Washington, Jr. • Soul Box
PIERRE BOULEZ CONDUCTS RAVEL • Daphnis et Chloé & STRAVINSKY • The Song of the Nightingale
Grover Washington, Jr. • Soul Box
PIERRE BOULEZ CONDUCTS RAVEL • Daphnis et Chloé & STRAVINSKY • The Song of the Nightingale
Thank you McCrutchy for the Mahler review. I have the Dolby surround version which splits it across two discs (I hate that DV does that on their 3fers on 2 discs ) but it does include the exquisite Brahms 4th symphony which DV is pairing with the Stokowski Beethoven 3rd. Oops! Different Brahms work not his 4th.
It will be interesting to compare the quaddiness between the two editions.
Re the Brahms now I know where Rick Wakeman got his Cans and Brahms from that appears on the Fragile album.
It will be interesting to compare the quaddiness between the two editions.
Re the Brahms now I know where Rick Wakeman got his Cans and Brahms from that appears on the Fragile album.
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The only Brahms being paired with the Beethoven is the Academic Festival Overture. Maybe we'll get the Brahms 4th Symphony in the next batch...
As mentioned, I really like the Stokowski Mahler 2nd - I see it as being part of the same group with Bruno Walter's 1960 stereo recording and Otto Klemperer's 60s stereo version, separate from the recordings of others like Bernstein who were from the following generation. And Stokowski has the best sound of any of them. To my mind the Mahler 2nd really needs surround sound - it has enormous dynamic range and is enormous in scale. Mono is just insufficient and even stereo has limitations that are obvious when you get 3-dimensional picture from surround. Bernstein's recording is fantastic but it's about an individual and his angst. That's more relevant for later Mahler, but the Mahler 2nd was composed when he was still in good health and it's more an abstract romantic vision of a hero's death and resurrection. And the price is fantastic on one disc...hard to go too wrong.
Just ordered the Mott the Hoople and Argent, after receiving (and loving) the Deodato and Art Garfunkel. DV Rocks!
Love to keep hearin' this D-V Love
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