Pink Floyd - "Animals" 5.1 Surround Sound Mix (Blu-Ray & SACD editions out in September 2022!)

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Interestingly, the bass note here is 65.3 Hz. Divide that by 2 and you get 32.65 Hz.

That raises an interesting question: Was there a bass pedal track on the master tape that was never used before? Or did Mr. Guthrie use a bass extension plugin during the remix to add those notes in an octave lower?
Interesting. Shades of the old DBX 100 sub-harmonic synthesizer...
 
Here's the spectrum at the same 6:26 spot in Pigs Original Mix:
No sign of the bass pedal notes here.

Interestingly, the bass note here is 65.3 Hz. Divide that by 2 and you get 32.65 Hz.

That raises an interesting question: Was there a bass pedal track on the master tape that was never used before? Or did Mr. Guthrie use a bass extension plugin during the remix to add those notes in an octave lower?

Pigs Original Mix.
NOT Pigs original multi-channels, who knows what was on them?

Synths in 1976 were perfectly capable playing a 30 Hz note.
AFAIK professional studio magnetic tape could record it.

But consumer vinyl and speakers could not reproduce it.
High-pass filter applied during 1977 mastering? :unsure:
 
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Saw this mentioned at the other forum:

Easter Egg alert: Click on the pig right before it floats off the screen for a special Easter Egg…….

Snowy White solo version of "Pigs on the Wing"

But note, I have not confirmed this, could be a troll?
Yeah, I'm going to have to say it's a troll job.
Yep, it's utter tosh...

Too bad.
But I hadn't noticed the balloon animation before, so clued me in.
Nice touch.
 
I would like to know what the hell changed since the DSOTM fiasco cause this is a top notch MCH mix... I mean, I don't blame JG for the DSOTM non existent mix , so I am guessing DG, RW and NM sorted something out
Maybe he read all the negative reviews it got here and decided to do a little homework.
Interesting. Shades of the old DBX 100 sub-harmonic synthesizer...
I had one of those. Look at the very top of the Phase Linear 1000. Appox 1982
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Pigs Original Mix.
NOT Pigs original multi-channels, who knows what was on them?

Synths in 1976 were perfectly capable playing a 30 HZ note.
AFAIK professional studio magnetic tape could record it.

But consumer vinyl and speakers could not reproduce it.
High-pass filter applied during 1977 mastering? :unsure:
Filter during original master would also explain some of the overall 'flatness' in the bass on the original release. The original always sounded very sterile to my ears (highest and lowest end of the spectrum).
 
Maybe he read all the negative reviews it got here and decided to do a little homework.

I had one of those. Look at the very top of the Phase Linear 1000. Appox 1982
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his superb Surround mix of that Johnny Mathis album (the SACD's long out of print but its now in 5.1 Dolby Audio on Apple Music) shows he knew full well all along (and i would say better than most at that time too) how to aggressively mix 5.1 music 🙂
 
I would like to know what the hell changed since the DSOTM fiasco cause this is a top notch MCH mix... I mean, I don't blame JG for the DSOTM non existent mix , so I am guessing DG, RW and NM sorted something out
ahh.. you know i don't want to flog this one to death (and i promise i won't) but i really don't think anything changed 🙂 he knows and always knew how to mix music really well in Surround but whether we like it or not and i am as guilty as the next man, woman or Animal(s) 😅 of getting my knickers in a twist over such fingz, even the best Engineers get the Blues!

these guys can sometimes get leant on by labels and/or artists to mix more conservatively or to do things differently from their own vision, or just have off-days, or are maybe limited by source material available, etc, etc., like we all get duffed up by outside influences.. O! U NO WOT EYE MEEN, EL KAPITAN, ROIGHT?! 😋🤗
 
In case anyone doesn't know, the liner notes are here: Animals - New mix update - Roger Waters
Yeah, the “notes“ are all Roger, Roger, Roger with one sentence mentioning Rick and David’s contributions (which was mistakenly divided into two) - but that wasn’t enough, so Rog had to insert some words pointing out that he did the words for Wish You Were Here too. Then he added a long postscript complaining about an old interview where David didn‘t say Roger, Roger Roger. He’s a smart, talented, powerful, successful man and still has such a strong need to proclaim “I did this, and this, and this…” The original liner notes were clear enough.

Anyway… I‘m thrilled to hear about the success of the new mix and am still waiting for my copy to arrive from the shed across the pond. Glad to hear about the solid bottom as I’m a fan of Roger’s bass playing - which he doesn’t champion himself about - and I don’t think he gets enough recognition for.

Oops! I just read in another thread that David played the bass on Pigs and Sheep!
I'm still a fan of Roger's playing tho - and David's!
 
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Very occasionally the spreading out of the sounds exposes a synth being a little old and klunky or the production being a little uneven - such as when Roger's voice has different effects on it in Pigs ("You're nearly a good laugh..."). These things were masked in the stereo mix. But overwhelmingly the separation adds to the enjoyment. The recording is so complicated that giving it extra space allows all the subtleties to be appreciated:
This was really cool when I first heard it. An "A ha!" moment.
 
If anyone here is using DVD-AE to extract audio from the Blu-Ray?
I'm trying to figure out what the difference is between Title 1 and Title 3. Same number of tracks and same runtime.
Is it the same content?

Also, "Download metadata" only populates part of Title 3 and does not differentiate original vs stereo.
I guess if I A-B for a while I'll figure it out eventually but any clues as to which is which?
 
I can't find the SACD for sale in Canada. No SACD in the deluxe.

Any reason to choose the Blu-ray over SACD?
I’m waiting for Amazon.ca to begin stocking the SACD too (as they have done in the past with WYWH and ATD) and order a copy of that version too. I do actually prefer the SACD to other discs because you don’t need to bother with a bunch of menus and the tv 📺 either and I usually prefer the sound too but weather that’s a snake oil thing or not is up for debate.
 
If anyone here is using DVD-AE to extract audio from the Blu-Ray?
I'm trying to figure out what the difference is between Title 1 and Title 3. Same number of tracks and same runtime.
Is it the same content?

Also, "Download metadata" only populates part of Title 3 and does not differentiate original vs stereo.
I guess if I A-B for a while I'll figure it out eventually but any clues as to which is which?
When I ripped this, one title was the PCM version, the other was the DTS-HD. I'm not sure why they've been authored separately, but they have.
 
I think that this arriving mixed in 5.1 could be the album that pushes some folks into surround finally. Maybe they have the player, DVD or BR, and an AVR already, but all they needed was a couple more speakers. Then they saw us all over the internet gushing over the Guthrie surround mix , and feel that well, they had better check this out (having always liked the album very much), or be left out of something really great

I'm glad it does not have the Atmos name attached to confuse and intimidate people into thinking that its 11 speakers or bust. Just wonderful 5.1 that can still work wonders without a sub, and even mostly without a center.
 
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