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Porcupine Tree's "Fear Of A Blank Planet" is Coming - Again, Deluxe Box Set w Blu Ray
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I'm not the guy to ask about comparing with the prior release, but, getting ready to smoke test-it on my rig; hopefully I'm not missing anything MC 
https://www.discogs.com/release/32137851-Porcupine-Tree-Fear-Of-A-Blank-Planet
https://www.discogs.com/release/32137851-Porcupine-Tree-Fear-Of-A-Blank-Planet
I am baffled as to why they would release this without an Atmos mix. Of all the bands/producer/engineer/mixmasters how did SW approve this waste of time? A great album and EP to get that treatment...doesn't.
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Take a few minutes to read the thread and you will learn that it is not possible to remix these mid-2000's PT albums due to the software that was used when producing them. Certainly an oversight on SW's part, but hey, who can predict the future...
I do wonder if, when something like AI is let loose in the audio engineering world, such things will become possible after all. In the meantime, we have this marvellous box set to enjoy.
Thanks, I read the first couple of pages but didn't get through all of it. That is sad and makes a lot more sense than SW just saying screw it.
Surely you could find a retrocomputing enthusiast to recreate the exact setup used to produce the album, and from that export the multitracks in a more modern format?
Unless I read it wrong, it's possible to remaster these in Atmos at some point. They would just need to go through the work of updating the assets to work in the new version of the software.
As for whether it's worth it or not, if you weren't able to snag an original release in 5.1 it is. Also the remaster of the 5.1 does sound better to me.
As for whether it's worth it or not, if you weren't able to snag an original release in 5.1 it is. Also the remaster of the 5.1 does sound better to me.
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Getting the software to work and possibly running into activation/licensing issues with said software, possibly multiple software critical to the project, likely renders even the attempt moot. I have much less sophisticated multitracks tracks from that era that would be impossible for me to 'recreate', and I know what I'm doing.
I try to explain to people all the time that digital tech (software, cloud storage, even websites themselves, etc) are transient. They can literally be rendered defunct in a click, update, or just no longer available online unless you find someone with a copy they just happened to stash away. Even the internet archive project (wayback machine) is facing hurtles, legal and technological, to retaining simple snapshots of things that comes and go. Don't get too attached or reliant on anything digital, it could be gone in a split second.
That said, there's ways to hedge against data loss. Magnetic and burned media offer a solution for that. But for software that runs on an operating system, written for an era of computing, with authentication, activation, and licensing concerns, it becomes a lot of moving parts and points of failure.
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And that's definitely yet another variable in all this.
Not sure where it was posted on here, but Google found it:
I wish I could have done Atmos of this album especially, but it was made on what would now be an antique computer system using an obsolete file format (SD2), no longer supported virtual instruments and plugins, and software without any Atmos capability. The great irony is that analogue recordings from 30-50 years ago are much easier to retrieve and remix, because everything was printed to tape.
Googling SD2 conversion comes back with more than a few hits. Opening some links, people are converting them. So, it doesn't seem to be impossible. My guess is with everything else he's juggling it just wasn't possible due to the time investment.
He just needs to find an Intern and have them go nuts. Worst case the AI techniques out there that strip instruments from a source could be used to make elements. I just hope we get Atmos of his catalog in the next 5 years or so.
I wish I could have done Atmos of this album especially, but it was made on what would now be an antique computer system using an obsolete file format (SD2), no longer supported virtual instruments and plugins, and software without any Atmos capability. The great irony is that analogue recordings from 30-50 years ago are much easier to retrieve and remix, because everything was printed to tape.
Googling SD2 conversion comes back with more than a few hits. Opening some links, people are converting them. So, it doesn't seem to be impossible. My guess is with everything else he's juggling it just wasn't possible due to the time investment.
He just needs to find an Intern and have them go nuts. Worst case the AI techniques out there that strip instruments from a source could be used to make elements. I just hope we get Atmos of his catalog in the next 5 years or so.
Very interesting.
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But he follows it up with "no longer supported virtual instruments and plugins", which is another compounding issue.
I never had either of these in 5.1 back in the day. I think this may have been because this was a time when I more regularly bought in a store, and as they were not on the shelves in Australia, I never knew they existed until much later. So hearing this music in 5.1 is a first for me, and I love them. The mixing is superb. Wilson at his best without a doubt.
It's also the first time I've seen the promo videos. That first one is a bit over the top? Gamer kids throwing petrol bombs at cars? I imagine that video director is embarrassed now! The concern back then was around gamer kids at risk of not enjoying a healthy balance of activities. The other two videos feel a bit dated and forgettable, but that first one is memorable for all the wrong reasons.
But -- hah! -- that's one of the things about box sets, they can mop up some not so great stuff as well ... which, from an historical perspective, is fine and in no way detracts from the wonderful music and the quality of this boxset overall. In fact, I like boxsets of great albums to be really inclusive.
Oh, this is turning into a bit of review. I give it ten then. Great music and mix (and mastering), gorgeous packaging, generous bonus content (though I would have liked the material on the blu-ray as well, if that had been possible) and competent disc authoring.
It's also the first time I've seen the promo videos. That first one is a bit over the top? Gamer kids throwing petrol bombs at cars? I imagine that video director is embarrassed now! The concern back then was around gamer kids at risk of not enjoying a healthy balance of activities. The other two videos feel a bit dated and forgettable, but that first one is memorable for all the wrong reasons.
But -- hah! -- that's one of the things about box sets, they can mop up some not so great stuff as well ... which, from an historical perspective, is fine and in no way detracts from the wonderful music and the quality of this boxset overall. In fact, I like boxsets of great albums to be really inclusive.
Oh, this is turning into a bit of review. I give it ten then. Great music and mix (and mastering), gorgeous packaging, generous bonus content (though I would have liked the material on the blu-ray as well, if that had been possible) and competent disc authoring.
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It appears Wilson was trying to get a point across. I guess I've seen all the videos so much I'm unaffected at this point
Sullen and bored the kids stay
And in this way they wish away each day
Stoned in the mall the kids play
And in this way they wish away each day
Sullen and bored the kids stay
And in this way they wish away each day
Stoned in the mall the kids play
And in this way they wish away each day
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When you talk about Deadwing and In Absentia, do you refer just to the stereo version or to the multichannel as well?
Hmmm... I sort of asked already upthread but just in reference to FoaBP. Answer is probably the same.
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I agree with you. I also strongly doubt, given the timescale, that no machines exist in the wild already and still configured the way they are needed to be.
It's probably more a matter of investment vs return.
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I'm not a Pro Tools expert by any means, but if you Google conversion from SD2 some of the replies mention having fully functioning older Pro Tools stations just to address older projects that I would imagine could handle this. Or worst case you recreate or have AI strip the information from the original.
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