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Quick question on quad setup. Back in the 70's when quad was originally released, the speaker setup was two fronts and two rears. With my Anthem processor, it will not allow me to setup the two fronts and two years only. You have to turn on the two side channels before it let's you turn on the rears! So I'm thinking about changing the speaker wire outputs on the anthem and put my rears on the side channel output while I listen to these quad discs... my thoughts are that was the setup that they were originally mixed for... anyone else run into this?
I think we would all agree, for a 4.0 mix (i.e. quad), definitely want a set up as close to a traditional quad speaker placement as possible. I know what you are saying about the Anthem. Mine can be set-up to avoid the issue and it knows I only have a 4.0 set up. But it is a bit older.

Simple answer, yes, but make sure your processor knows you only have 4 speakers, otherwise you will likely get nothing from the rears or something but not the correct content.
 
Quick question on quad setup. Back in the 70's when quad was originally released, the speaker setup was two fronts and two rears. With my Anthem processor, it will not allow me to setup the two fronts and two years only. You have to turn on the two side channels before it let's you turn on the rears! So I'm thinking about changing the speaker wire outputs on the anthem and put my rears on the side channel output while I listen to these quad discs... my thoughts are that was the setup that they were originally mixed for... anyone else run into this?
This opens up a can of worms. It is sad that with the move to 5.1 and then 7.1 and Atmos that little consideration was given to Quad.

Veering slightly off topic, I play everything in 4.0. When I first got my Oppo BDP-103 I tried to set it up for front and back speakers. That did not work it had to be set for front and side.

Older formated discs like DVD-A encoded the surround channels as surround (back). At some point that was changed to surround (side).
Those older discs do play compatibly (via side outputs), with my Oppo player set to play via front and side only.

I like to rip my discs and play them via my computer's sound card, so I end up with different discs encoded with different channel assignments. using software Foobar "Matrix Mixer" I'm able to reassign channels as required.

Equipment (AVR) manufactures should address this issue instead of being lazy. You might have to set up a speaker switch box as a work around to address the issue.

If your side speakers are placed at 90° to your listening position, you might actually prefer listening to Quad like that rather than having them placed behind.
 
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Quick question on quad setup. Back in the 70's when quad was originally released, the speaker setup was two fronts and two rears. With my Anthem processor, it will not allow me to setup the two fronts and two years only. You have to turn on the two side channels before it let's you turn on the rears! So I'm thinking about changing the speaker wire outputs on the anthem and put my rears on the side channel output while I listen to these quad discs... my thoughts are that was the setup that they were originally mixed for... anyone else run into this?
Does seem daft that you can't select speakers to match the set-up you want. The problem arose when the new standard for 7.1 appeared as what had been thought of as the Rears in 5.1 became the Sides (but if you look at the speaker placement diagrams (often with SACDs) that is what they were shown as), not that makes it any less irritating for those of us who use them as rears.
 
I’m strictly 4.0 although I may get a subwoofer someday. I’m missing center channel sound from 5.1 Blu Rays and SACDs, but I don’t really mind.
You are not really missing it if your system is set up for only four speakers. A lot of people (including the stereo only crowd) prefer a phantom centre anyway.

I remember back in the sixties there were some systems that added a centre speaker (sum of left and right); good if you wanted to separate the stereo pair a bit farther. It was even referred to as "triphonic" as far as I recall! Also in those early days it was stated in some advertising that the two stereo channels were like having three channels when you consider the "phantom" centre.
 
I’m strictly 4.0 although I may get a subwoofer someday. I’m missing center channel sound from 5.1 Blu Rays and SACDs, but I don’t really mind.
I often enjoy 5.1 with center off as well. But when there are lead vocals (isolated in center) missing I consider keeping it on. Or if I know that given album really well, I can at times do entirely without the vocals.
 
I think we would all agree, for a 4.0 mix (i.e. quad), definitely want a set up as close to a traditional quad speaker placement as possible. I know what you are saying about the Anthem. Mine can be set-up to avoid the issue and it knows I only have a 4.0 set up. But it is a bit older.

Simple answer, yes, but make sure your processor knows you only have 4 speakers, otherwise you will likely get nothing from the rears or something but not the correct content.
I was just thinking about this today. Switching cables is too burdensome for me. I move my chair up a few feet so my side channels are behind me. Not ideal. Anthem needs to make speaker selection more changeable.
 
I’m strictly 4.0 although I may get a subwoofer someday. I’m missing center channel sound from 5.1 Blu Rays and SACDs, but I don’t really mind.
I bought a small used amp for $70 and connected it directly to the center output on my OPPO. I only turn it on when I'm listening to 5.1 stuff, not things like a Quadio that only has the 4 channels. It works fine although it's a bit of a pain to adjust that volume control to keep it in sync with the volume on my main receiver.

Although I tried to adjust the OPPO settings so that it would/should move the center channel evenly between the front left and right, it sometimes just didn't work. A particular James Taylor disc was like listening to the karaoke version -no voice.
 
I bought a small used amp for $70 and connected it directly to the center output on my OPPO. I only turn it on when I'm listening to 5.1 stuff, not things like a Quadio that only has the 4 channels. It works fine although it's a bit of a pain to adjust that volume control to keep it in sync with the volume on my main receiver.

Although I tried to adjust the OPPO settings so that it would/should move the center channel evenly between the front left and right, it sometimes just didn't work. A particular James Taylor disc was like listening to the karaoke version -no voice.
That would happen if the centre is out of phase. I remember having that problem with The Doors LA Woman DVD-A. Downmixed there were no vocals!
 
You are not really missing it if your system is set up for only four speakers. A lot of people (including the stereo only crowd) prefer a phantom centre anyway.

I remember back in the sixties there were some systems that added a centre speaker (sum of left and right); good if you wanted to separate the stereo pair a bit farther. It was even referred to as "triphonic" as far as I recall! Also in those early days it was stated in some advertising that the two stereo channels were like having three channels when you consider the "phantom" centre.
My dear old Altec 724 has a “center” output jack. It’s just the FM sum signal. I might have checked it once to see if it was working, but never acrually used it, since I never had a third front speaker until after I got my first surround pre-pro.
 
One thing that is exciting and an enticement to order them and possibly get all four is definitely the price. These surround discs are priced at about what I was getting Audio Fidelity SACDs for from Deep Discount nearly ten years ago.

And the $20 cash outlay for these today in a four-bundle or on sale at Target Circle is like paying $3.00 per disc in 1974.

Think about that when considering if these are going to break the monthly spending budget.

Such an abundance of BD QuadraDiscs, now sounding better than Q4 reels, for $3.00 (in ‘74 dollars) a piece.
Perspective... WOW, what a concept! Well put and a much appreciated reminder.
 
You are not really missing it if your system is set up for only four speakers. A lot of people (including the stereo only crowd) prefer a phantom centre anyway.

I remember back in the sixties there were some systems that added a centre speaker (sum of left and right); good if you wanted to separate the stereo pair a bit farther. It was even referred to as "triphonic" as far as I recall! Also in those early days it was stated in some advertising that the two stereo channels were like having three channels when you consider the "phantom" centre.

yes, I have seen that on very late tube gear... both my Pilot 654 and H.H. Scott 340B have a "derived" center channel output.

As for "phantom center" I have started to think that many HT systems work better with the center channel mixed to the L&R speakers rather than using a physical center, as it makes imaging all wonky with "talking head" type TV programming. The exception would be if you are using an acoustically transparent projection screen and can position the center's tweeter exactly in the center of the screen. I've also wired two speakers in series for a "center" and positioned them tight to the screen with the tweeters about halfway up the screen and then two more speakers farther apart for L&R, if you level match correctly that works too but you need a wide room to pull that off.
 
Sometimes ensuring browser compatibility is just troublesome. Have you ever tried programming in JavaScript?
Yes, but it was over ten years ago. I do remember having to do a bit of browser testing. Also came up with a way to do date validation that didn't involve a convoluted regular expression, not that I could do that again from scratch1
 
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