Rolling Stones Goats Head Soup Deluxe Edition (with 5.1 & Dolby Atmos mixes!)

[J. PUPSTER]

also, I have to hand it to Bull Moose, the box they shipped it in is built like a tank, there's no way that was going to get damaged.
I'd love to join in and actually listen to this, but being it's Saturday, there's an army of Mow and Blow guys in my neighborhood that makes any critical listening impossible. I'll just use this time to back-up.

 

[edisonbaggins]

also, I have to hand it to Bull Moose, the box they shipped it in is built like a tank, there's no way that was going to get damaged.
I'd love to join in and actually listen to this, but being it's Saturday, there's an army of Mow and Blow guys in my neighborhood that makes any critical listening impossible. I'll just use this time to back-up.

Mow n' blow sounds like my bathroom/bedroom experiences!

 

[4-earredwonder]

also, I have to hand it to Bull Moose, the box they shipped it in is built like a tank, there's no way that was going to get damaged.
I'd love to join in and actually listen to this, but being it's Saturday, there's an army of Mow and Blow guys in my neighborhood that makes any critical listening impossible. I'll just use this time to back-up.

Thanks for sharing Pupster ...... maybe it's a good time to Manscape!

 

[J. PUPSTER]

Thanks for sharing Pupster ...... maybe it's a good time to Manscape!

I wish I was that young; but the hair is about right

 

[4-earredwonder]

I wish I was that young; but the hair is about right

AGE IS BUT A DR NUMBER....when it dips below 6 you know you're in trouble!

 

[HomerJAU]

So Garry, if you look at my screen shot of MakeMKV, it clearly shows a DD 5.1 mix which I grabbed with AudioMuxer and got onto my PC. Are you telling me that AudioMuxer downmixed the 7.1 to a 5.1 mix on it's own from the MKV file, or is there a 5.1 downmix already sitting there on the disc. If it is, then how do we know if it's a downmix or a real 5.1 mix?

No. You selected the 5.1 Core in MakeMKV and Audiomuxer converted the 5.1 Core to 5.1 FLAC

 

[HomerJAU]

then how do we know if it's a downmix or a real 5.1 mix?

I would think the Dolby Atmos mixing software has a feature to create a 5.1 or 7.1 Core downmix from the Atmos mix. Why? Because a 5.1 or 7.1 mix is required for compatibility with 5.1/7.1 systems and a downmix option would save the audio engineer from having to do another surround mix.

That’s a question for one of the Atmos mixing engineers that uses the software.

 

[JonUrban]

I would think the Dolby Atmos mixing software has a feature to create a 5.1 or 7,1 Core downmix from the Atmos mix. Why? Because a 5,1 or 7.1 mix is required fir compatibility with 5,1/7.1 systems and a downmix option would save the audio engineer from having to do another surround mix.

That’s a question for one of the Atmos mixing engineers that uses the software.

Interesting. But still, the downmix is already there, so it exists in bits, so it's a mix sitting on the disc either way, be it created by software or engineer. Well, either way, it works perfect for me as I can use it in the car that way.

 

[JonUrban]

So I took the disc downstairs and yes, the screen selection is only stereo and Atmos, but the Denon shows Dolby True HD. Since this receiver and the Oppo have no clue what Atmos is, it pulled the 5.1 mix that AudioMuxer pulled off the disc, despite the menu selection, which means the disc is telling the older hardware that "Here's your 5.1 audio"

I wonder if they chose to just call the surround mix Atmos because the terms 5.1 and 7.1 are reflective of older times and going forward they just want everyone to think "Atmos" is surround, no matter how many channels you have. It probably makes more sense for the new folks.

 

[edisonbaggins]

So I took the disc downstairs and yes, the screen selection is only stereo and Atmos, but the Denon shows 5.1 Dolby True HD. Since this receiver and the Oppo have no clue what Atmos is, it pulled the 5.1 mix that AudioMuxer pulled off the disc, despite the menu selection, which means the disc is telling the older hardware that "Here's your 5.1 audio"

I wonder if they chose to just call the surround mix Atmos because the terms 5.1 and 7.1 are reflective of older times and going forward they just want everyone to think "Atmos" is surround, no matter how many channels you have. It probably makes more sense for the new folks.

This is what "fully compatible" means? I'm not trying to start shit. But I am feeling out what issues might be at hand in whether listeners like these mixes or not.
If the set was advertised as having DTS HD MA 5.1 and all I could access were DD 5.1, I'd honestly be a bit pissed. Especially at this price point.
Not only that, but as an Atmos customer, I also appreciate the option of a dedicated 5.1 mix. E.g. I like the 5.1 mix of Abbey Road a bit better than the Atmos. And I don't know of a way to tell my system to downmix Atmos sources to 5.1.

 

[JonUrban]

I am cranking this on my "middle system" and it sounds really good. Some of the tunes have pretty decent surround. I will have to live with it for a while as I do not know this album that well, but I would have to say that if you're scared off of it because you are afraid it's not a good surround mix, I would say don't be. So far, I'd say it's a decent surround mix that is worthy of more detailed listening.

Looking forward to the "Life in Surround" take on the thing!

 

[4-earredwonder]

Am currently playing RBCD #3 BRUSSELS AFFAIR 1973.......Typical raucous Stones Concert with more than decent sonics!

 

[edisonbaggins]

Am currently playing RBCD #3 BRUSSELS AFFAIR 1973.......Typical raucous Stones Concert with more than decent sonics!

That's a nice bonus, right there!
You're not appalled at the mastering?!

 

[4-earredwonder]

That's a nice bonus, right there!
You're not appalled at the mastering?!

No, Mike. I know the SHF crowd might be but hey, it's a Stones Concert and everything, including the snares and vocals are all copacetic, at least on my system.

Until I get my new system set up, I'm listening through B&W 802 Nautilus Speakers utilizing a Parasound P7 all analogue pre amp and a Parasound 5.1 AMP

 

[edisonbaggins]

No, Mike. I know the SHF crowd might be but hey, it's a Stones Concert and everything, including the snares and vocals are all copacetic, at least on my system.

Yeah, I was definitely getting a dig in at the SHF types...

 

[Shikoku]

Review #8


PACKAGING
EU edition. Heavy as sin (thought it came with actual soup when I picked it up, but found it only had a recipe card). Easy access discs on seperate pages and a very cool book filled with photos (many of which I've never seen). There was a huge slip card of information on the outside of the box (where the hell am I'm going to save that monstrosity?)

CONTENT
One of my personal favorites. I remember hearing it on my brother's car 8-track stereo when it was released. The changing variety of music grabs my interest. I haven't played the rarities CD or the live disc yet (I already heard much of the tracks on bootlegs back in the day), but, from memory, the live stuff really rocks. I'm a bigger fan of some of the "minor" songs on this record. Coming Down Again is a big fave, as well as Can You Hear the Music? Silver Train, and the jam after "lazybones" at the end of 100 Years Ago. Didn't care for the goat head menu vid throughout the disc.

5.1 (7.1?) + FIDELITY
Although my system can be set up for 7.1, I lack the speakers (and those speakers being Atmos ones as well). Still, the disc seemed to be compatible for 5.1 (according to the sticker...wink wink) and I could enjoy the recording. The band fills the fronts, with the extras (background vocals, orchestra, percussion, horns, etc.) in the rears. I didn't find it as aggressive as Abbey Road, but at the same time it was its own beast and felt balanced. Some tracks really grabbed me more than others (Coming Down Again being one of them) and the fidelity of tracks (like Angie) made me keep on listening. Overall, I really liked this disc and will give it another spin soon.

PS> If I invest in a pair of Atmos speakers, I'll review this again.

SCORE
9

 

[4-earredwonder]

Yeah, I was definitely getting a dig in at the SHF types...

Mike, truly, for a Live concert recorded in 1973, I think it sounds absolutely WONDERFUL. And the Stones are in rare form. Angie's AMAZING! A nice bonus!

As for SHF = SHIT HITS FAN!

 

[edisonbaggins]

Mike, truly, for a Live concert recorded in 1973, I think it sounds absolutely WONDERFUL. And the Stones are in rare form. Angie's AMAZING! A nice bonus!

As for SHF = SHIT HITS FAN!

Def looking forward to that concert. Glad it sounds good to a rational human.

 

[sjcorne]

Def looking forward to that concert. Glad it sounds good to a rational human.

It sounded really good played through PLIIx on my HTS - you'd swear some of the guitar solos were coming from the left rear. I'd love to see what Penteo could do with it.

 

[rtbluray]

Playing now, first two songs were a little tame, but once "Coming Down Again" started, it lit my face up like a Christmas tree!