Simply random stuff

[JohnN]

Neural X works well on TV sound.

 

[barfle]

I dunno if I'm being too closed-minded but I just cannot seem to get into any upmixing or demixing...I just always end up preferring the sound the way it's been delivered, whether it's stereo, 5.1, quad, or any other weird channel configurations (Telarc's 2 + 2 + 2 LOL). Maybe it's because I've mixed music before, but the artifacts that happen with current up/demixing technologies seems to really get on my nerves.

Anyways, what are you guys eyeing for this year's Black Friday?

For uears, everything I played went through my Sony SQD1000, occasionally giving me an “upmixed” effect that was usually OK.

 

[jimfisheye]

I dunno if I'm being too closed-minded but I just cannot seem to get into any upmixing or demixing...I just always end up preferring the sound the way it's been delivered, whether it's stereo, 5.1, quad, or any other weird channel configurations (Telarc's 2 + 2 + 2 LOL). Maybe it's because I've mixed music before, but the artifacts that happen with current up/demixing technologies seems to really get on my nerves.

Anyways, what are you guys eyeing for this year's Black Friday?

The loss in fidelity with the artifact riddled stuff usually eclipses any perceived benefit from the forced separation. But I shop for fidelity first, more channels second too. Probably because I mix and master audio as well.

 

[mandrix]

"Usually" being the operative word. The fix for that is don't listen to any artifact riddled stuff.
Stem separation programs have come a long way in recent years.
What I mix is normally intended for myself only, from music that has not/probably won't see a commercial release in surround.
But I have certainly heard some fine upmixes from people on this forum and elsewhere.

Different strokes, and all that. I don't fault anyone for their preferences, and I certainly don't have golden ears.

 

[ar surround]

but the artifacts that happen with current up/demixing technologies seems to really get on my nerves.

A couple of quick lessons, PM:

Try to keep with the higher end stem separation programs such as Lalal.AI and DeMix Pro.

Don’t spend too much time fretting about what you are hearing when listening to individual stems. They WILL sound bad.

Mix all of the stems back into your final mix. Leave anything out and it will sound bad.

Try blending channels together a bit. I.e. Take whatever is in the fronts, add a bit of reverb, then mix it into the rears at a lower level.

If you listen to one rear or both rear channels of the Surround Master by themselves, you will hear it doing its thing. However, artifacts disappear when listening to all four channels. Like with the SM, you need to use psycho-acoustics to your advantage.

 

[mandrix]

A couple of quick lessons, PM:

Try to keep with the higher end stem separation programs such as Lalal.AI and DeMix Pro.

Don’t spend too much time fretting about what you are hearing when listening to individual stems. They WILL sound bad.

Mix all of the stems back into your final mix. Leave anything out and it will sound bad.

Try blending channels together a bit. I.e. Take whatever is in the fronts, add a bit of reverb, then mix it into the rears at a lower level.

If you listen to one rear or both rear channels of the Surround Master by themselves, you will hear it doing its thing. However, artifacts disappear when listening to all four channels. Like with the SM, you need to use psycho-acoustics to your advantage.

Yeah. I love the mix paste option in Audition where I can set different % of blend.