Simply random stuff

[JohnN]

Neural X works well on TV sound.

 

[barfle]

I dunno if I'm being too closed-minded but I just cannot seem to get into any upmixing or demixing...I just always end up preferring the sound the way it's been delivered, whether it's stereo, 5.1, quad, or any other weird channel configurations (Telarc's 2 + 2 + 2 LOL). Maybe it's because I've mixed music before, but the artifacts that happen with current up/demixing technologies seems to really get on my nerves.

Anyways, what are you guys eyeing for this year's Black Friday?

For uears, everything I played went through my Sony SQD1000, occasionally giving me an “upmixed” effect that was usually OK.

 

[jimfisheye]

I dunno if I'm being too closed-minded but I just cannot seem to get into any upmixing or demixing...I just always end up preferring the sound the way it's been delivered, whether it's stereo, 5.1, quad, or any other weird channel configurations (Telarc's 2 + 2 + 2 LOL). Maybe it's because I've mixed music before, but the artifacts that happen with current up/demixing technologies seems to really get on my nerves.

Anyways, what are you guys eyeing for this year's Black Friday?

The loss in fidelity with the artifact riddled stuff usually eclipses any perceived benefit from the forced separation. But I shop for fidelity first, more channels second too. Probably because I mix and master audio as well.

 

[mandrix]

"Usually" being the operative word. The fix for that is don't listen to any artifact riddled stuff.
Stem separation programs have come a long way in recent years.
What I mix is normally intended for myself only, from music that has not/probably won't see a commercial release in surround.
But I have certainly heard some fine upmixes from people on this forum and elsewhere.

Different strokes, and all that. I don't fault anyone for their preferences, and I certainly don't have golden ears.

 

[ar surround]

but the artifacts that happen with current up/demixing technologies seems to really get on my nerves.

A couple of quick lessons, PM:

Try to keep with the higher end stem separation programs such as Lalal.AI and DeMix Pro.

Don’t spend too much time fretting about what you are hearing when listening to individual stems. They WILL sound bad.

Mix all of the stems back into your final mix. Leave anything out and it will sound bad.

Try blending channels together a bit. I.e. Take whatever is in the fronts, add a bit of reverb, then mix it into the rears at a lower level.

If you listen to one rear or both rear channels of the Surround Master by themselves, you will hear it doing its thing. However, artifacts disappear when listening to all four channels. Like with the SM, you need to use psycho-acoustics to your advantage.

 

[mandrix]

A couple of quick lessons, PM:

Try to keep with the higher end stem separation programs such as Lalal.AI and DeMix Pro.

Don’t spend too much time fretting about what you are hearing when listening to individual stems. They WILL sound bad.

Mix all of the stems back into your final mix. Leave anything out and it will sound bad.

Try blending channels together a bit. I.e. Take whatever is in the fronts, add a bit of reverb, then mix it into the rears at a lower level.

If you listen to one rear or both rear channels of the Surround Master by themselves, you will hear it doing its thing. However, artifacts disappear when listening to all four channels. Like with the SM, you need to use psycho-acoustics to your advantage.

Yeah. I love the mix paste option in Audition where I can set different % of blend.

 

[kfbkfb]

Scrolled by on FB, I don't have any info about the brand(s):


Kirk Bayne

 

[jefe1]

If there was ever a reason for wearing ear plugs.....

 

[J. PUPSTER]

Scrolled by on FB, I don't have any info about the brand(s):


Kirk Bayne

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Reminds me of a Taj Mahal line - "Horn me!"

and on another front; has AI imaging quickly gotten a lot better or is it just me
Give it a few more years and more Nvidia chips, and we won't know where we're at...

 

[Sonik Wiz]

My random contribution for the day:

 

[H.A.L.]

Pupster: this use of GoT actors in AI tells me why actors are incensed
over the technology. The days of a hazy post-mortem Leia in STAR WARS are over:

 

[timbre4]

Spy photo of 2 man NW QQ conference - Timbre4 and Quadwreck (Tim & Eric) Portland, Oregon 11/08/2024

 

[Wagonmaster_91]

I can't listen to upmixes with "watery" rear channels. For me, the artifacts don't disappear.

 

[barfle]

I went to my local brick-and-mortar audio dealer last Wednesday to see if they could provide me with a CD4 capable turntable. I had an appointment, but the owner got called away for a customer about 100 miles north, so we rescheduled for this coming Wednesday. If it works out, I’ll have a pretty big stack of quads I’ve never heard before in surround.

I did get to listen to some pretty damn nice gear and music last week. Who knew Hugh Laurie was a damn good jazz musician? More going into the collection…

 

[J. PUPSTER]

As a guy who loves to do up-mixes (I use a multi-stage process of Penteo 4.1 then isolate channels for some DeMix Pro stem separation and edit in Audacity.) A 5.1 Penteo up-mix, really just makes the front sound stage too unfocused towards the Center IMO, ending up with a kind of what I call the "three legged stool" effect (Center - Rear Left & Rear Right.)

From my experience the way music has been recorded, mixed and mastered (primarily) has huge consequences on whether it will end up sounding great or crappy. Too many recordings have been butchered up with heavy handed compression/mastering, that is simply too pushed in the higher end (seems like from about 6k-15K+ range is the worst offender.) The more egregious the bad mastering, the more artifacts seem to show up. Sometimes doing some additional EQ adjustments before processing will help it out. A single song may take me 2-3 days work to get to where I like it; but many I'd like to try and tackle are just hopelessly rotten to start with.

 

[Mr. Afternoon]

I just learned what a truss rod is. I feel ashamed for not knowing until now.

 

[mandrix]

I just learned what a truss rod is. I feel ashamed for not knowing until now.

Did you learn what a Johnson Rod is?

 

[cbmmm3]

and lets not forget about a dowser rod

 

[mandrix]

Do you know how to use a speed square?
Install drip edge?
Install Fascia board and metal? vinyl siding?

Thankfully I/we have YouTube. Not kidding.

Got a brand new 21* framing nailer! I hope I survive this one! lol.

 

[mandrix]

and lets not forget about a dowser rod

I knew a dowser. Helped me place my well.