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I remember it being discussed in that long thread regarding Dolby TrueHD...although whether it's actually perceptible is a separately story. It's not limited to Atmos, DTS:X in object mode does the same thing, its just the nature of object-based audio at home. You can't deliver the full 118 objects or however many it is, so you have to compromise and use some psychoacoustics to get the same effect when rendered on larger speaker arrays.
OK. Well my interest is limited to 7.1.4. If you come across any documentation I'd be eager to read it.
 
Many years ago I actually made my living by working in various fields of photography. At one point I had the pleasure of working with two photographers from The Missoulian. They were publishing a "coffee table" book of the beauty of Montana. As you might expect it was strongly outdoor & wild life shots.They came to KC because, thanks to Hallmark cards, we had a thriving industry of photography, pro photo labs, color sep houses, and the country's leading fine art publisher, Lowell Press. And coming to KC meant they could be involved directly with every step of the process. Like going into a restaurant's kitchen to tell them exactly how much salt you want.

My main point I'm slow to getting around to, is that so many of your pics remind me of that project. Just casual shots on a phone? I'd say it looks great on my monitor. I really enjoy your photography & I hope you blow up some of them for wall display.

Edit: Then again I guess you can just step outside your back door & see it even bigger, eh?
Sonik Wiz, First off THANK you! I usually try not try to get too personal. on the internet. But I wanted to say this~ I used to hunt, fish and be out in the woods as often as I could. From just a little sht kid, and throughout any spare time from work and raising a family. BLESSED! This until pretty recently. Seen so many incredible things in my life, but never had a camera during those times. I have had 3 strokes in the last 5 years. The last two really messed me up pretty good. Lost much of the feeling on my left side etc etc You know stroke related 'stuff'. This was originally due to an injured neck that caused a dissected carotid. Got hit HARD. I never knew until years later the damage that was caused. My melted, dumb ass face did finally go back into whatever it was before. My left hand/ side though, a bit more usable but very little feeling at all. I was not able to talk or write for about a month. I was a lefty, but them days are over now. Now I am a compete CLOD. Go throw a baseball wrong handed. You know the deal. I break shit a lot. So frustrating. Now in the last couple of years, I have been prescribed a blood thinner and man I HATE that crap. I often come back into the house with a small cut on hand or arm/ leg etc and looks like a murder scene. Ridiculous. Scares Kathy and I do not liking doing that. I have done enough of that. She is why/how I am here. She has always been everything to me. (Different story and I get upset) Anyway, I can drive and now if I want to take off on my own, (runnin' around in the mountains next to us.) she gets scared still and I do understand. We've been friends since 11 years old, married as teenagers. (the thumb image) She says I will go with ya too. Geezzz.. I do not want her making herself go and I KNOW why. Hey..this is pretty good typing practice..... Anyway.................
I get off track ..
Gear~ I use a few cameras now and I just wing it. Learned stuff as I went. I sure enjoy it and believe me ANYONE can! Just save up and get one, then run around with it figuring it out. I do not use cell phones for anything except if it rings.. and even then I tend to ignore it.. I us Canon dslrs and their lenses. The Canon menus were always easiest for me to understand. I actually had a dude and then a few months later a lady get hold of me wanting to purchase a couple of images from me. I gave them to them to keep. Not selling. Anyway..this episode of 'this my life' is now over. I just enjoy others liking what I can come up with on a camera sometimes. All the very best to you and yours. Oh by the way. MIZZOOLA! We stay clear of cities... This image was nice because I just sat on the front deck an got this one while drinking coffee..:ROFLMAO:View attachment 1741026214344.jpeg
 
Dolby Atmos on Blu-ray is not entirely lossless (due to the way it stores heights as objects and how it extracts them) and Auro3D's static height speaker channels are lossy. Well, DTS:X has largely been unused and forgotten, but has anybody done any experiments with it? Because from what DTS claims, unlike Auro3D and Atmos, DTS:X can actually store up to a 7.1.4 mix on Blu-ray losslessly, before going into object-based shenanigans.
OK. I'm calling BS. I can't find any reference that says there is anything lossy in TrueHD/Atmos. I will require proof to the contrary.
Not from forum posts, from Dolby.
The gauntlet has been thrown. :)
 
OK. I'm calling BS. I can't find any reference that says there is anything lossy in TrueHD/Atmos. I will require proof to the contrary.
Not from forum posts, from Dolby.
The gauntlet has been thrown. :)
Well, lossy is not exactly the right term in a traditional sense. Atmos stores it's object data losslessly in TrueHD, it's just the method of nulling those objects from the base mix and placing them is not a perfect null. I'm still trying to find the source, if I don't find it, pretend I never mentioned it. 😂
 
Well, lossy is not exactly the right term in a traditional sense. Atmos stores it's object data losslessly in TrueHD, it's just the method of nulling those objects from the base mix and placing them is not a perfect null. I'm still trying to find the source, if I don't find it, pretend I never mentioned it. 😂
What exactly defines the "base mix"? Is this different from bed channels?
 
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