Sony Blu-Ray Players used for SACD ripping

[SACD_ripper]

Not sure if this is the issue; if not then we should call up ol' @SACD_ripper, he's got a good handle on this stuff.

If you're using Foobar, check the config as below for PCM rates- under:
File -> Preferences-> Tools-> SACD

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That is certainly the issue, a matter of playback settings and not rip settings.
As stated in other posts above, there are no SACD rip settings that govern sample rate, all SACD rips using sacd_extract are done at DSD64, or a 2.82 MHz sample rate.
It's been a very long time (Windows 7) since I used Foobar, however at that time there were plugins that needed to be installed and configured before one could actually playback DSD, I wonder if @analogkid has that all buttoned up?

 

[SACD_ripper]

But DSD does have sample rates. and it should be 88.2 not 44.1

Nope, DSD sample rates start with DSD64 which is a 2.82mHz sample rate, neither 88.2 or 44.1kHz are DSD sample rates, those are PCM sample rates (note kilohertz as opposed to megahertz).

 

[analogkid]

I F'N LOVE YOU GUYS!!! That was exactly it. I was basing that samplerate of 44.1 on the dynamic Range meter report not realizing it was basing the PCM on the setting not the actual data.

And you know what... it makes sense as others have said... DSD doesn't have those sample rates it never made sense. I guess when I had to rebuild my system I forgot to readjust the settings.

Thank you all for taking time out to check in and explain. I was starting to lose my mind that the sony player I had only ripped at a lower resolution... what nonsense right?

So I can end this with all my rips are good then and it all works the way it is supposed to.

Thanks again!

 

[SeeMoreDigital]

Just so you know...

The reason why the audio stream from an SACD is referred to as 'DSD64' is because its (2,8422.4kHz) sample rate is 64 times that of an audio CD's (44.1kHz) sample-rate.

44.1 x 64 = 2,8422.4

 

[wilbertjoosen]

Does anyone have some tests with this portable Blu-ray player? Sony VBD-MA1

 

[Sal1950]

What type of tests? For ripping SACD?
Nothing that I'm aware of.
For ripping there's an excellent updated list kept at Hi Fi Haven,
https://hifihaven.org/index.php?threads/rip-sacd-with-a-blu-ray-player.3652/post-69000

 

[wilbertjoosen]

What type of tests? For ripping SACD?
Nothing that I'm aware of.
For ripping there's an excellent updated list kept at Hi Fi Haven,
https://hifihaven.org/index.php?threads/rip-sacd-with-a-blu-ray-player.3652/post-69000

Firstly thanks for your reply. I already read the topic you mentioned, the player that I mentioned is a new one, with a USB connection that can be connected to a PC and is a portable player, totally different from a normal Blueray player.

 

[SACD_ripper]

the player that I mentioned is a new one

It's not new, actually quite old, model year 2011.
That unit is only compatible with the BD, DVD, and CD disc formats, it doesn't support the SACD format at all. If it can't read an SACD then it certainly cannot rip one either.
Add to that the lack of any network connection (thus no Mediatek SoC), and there is zero likelihood of any SACD ripping capability using the established methods.

 

[quadsearcher]

It's not new, actually quite old, model year 2011.
That unit is only compatible with the BD, DVD, and CD disc formats, it doesn't support the SACD format at all. If it can't read an SACD then it certainly cannot rip one either.
Add to that the lack of any network connection (thus no Mediatek SoC), and there is zero likelihood of any SACD ripping capability using the established methods.

With a Firewire connector for DV-Cam! And accepts SD card. That was a fancy standalone BD recorder in its day, still is really, for home video compilations.
Luckily the Sony units that rip SACD are often available at 1/10th the price, at least here in the US midwest.

 

[SACD_ripper]

With a Firewire connector for DV-Cam! And accepts SD card. That was a fancy standalone BD recorder in its day, still is really, for home video compilations.
Luckily the Sony units that rip SACD are often available at 1/10th the price, at least here in the US midwest.

Very nice unit for 2011, or even today.

 

[Neil Hannah]

Thanks for mentioning a ps3 in this thread. Years ago I had a yamaha dvda player, it played sacd's too. It broke many moons ago. Just recently I got a copy of genesis by genesis. After reading this thread, popped it in my ps3 and bingo. I don't have anything else that can play them, so thanks for the idea, can now go hunting out more sacd's.
Now if only I had a dvda player, hmmmm!!

 

[SeeMoreDigital]

Now if only I had a dvda player, hmmmm!!

Why not simply rip/decode/decompress your DVD-A's back to LPCM with computers disc drive using either DVD-Audio Explorer or DVD-Audio Extractor...

 

[Neil Hannah]

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Why not simply rip/decode/decompress your DVD-A's back to LPCM with computers disc drive using either DVD-Audio Explorer or DVD-Audio Extractor...

I'd love to bud, but I don't own a PC. Thanks anyway

 

[Blackwood]

I finally finished ripping all my SACDs.

Total SACDs: 149, but 6 would not rip despite multiple tries. Quite a number took multiple tries, but only 6 totally failed:

Dire Straits - Communique
Michael Hedges - Aerial Boundaries
Noriko Ogawa - Erik Satie Vol 1 & 2
Pink Floyd - DSOTM
Vince Guaraldi - Charlie Brown Christmas

All different publishers, and all SACDs that work, just would never rip properly. Might try again down the road.

I used a Sony 6700 with a thumb drive (not networked.)

I tested the ISOs with the free Pine Player on my Mac.

From there, just because, I used TraX to convert the ISOs to DSF. Got quite a number of errors/failures with that conversion. Don’t know how often I’ll listen to the DSFs rather than the ISOs, but I figured since I was in the ripping flow, there wasn’t much reason not to do it.

Glad to be done… until the next SACD arrives.

 

[mrcond]

I finally finished ripping all my SACDs.

Total SACDs: 149, but 6 would not rip despite multiple tries. Quite a number took multiple tries, but only 6 totally failed:

Dire Straits - Communique
Michael Hedges - Aerial Boundaries
Noriko Ogawa - Erik Satie Vol 1 & 2
Pink Floyd - DSOTM
Vince Guaraldi - Charlie Brown Christmas

All different publishers, and all SACDs that work, just would never rip properly. Might try again down the road.

I used a Sony 6700 with a thumb drive (not networked.)

I tested the ISOs with the free Pine Player on my Mac.

From there, just because, I used TraX to convert the ISOs to DSF. Got quite a number of errors/failures with that conversion. Don’t know how often I’ll listen to the DSFs rather than the ISOs, but I figured since I was in the ripping flow, there wasn’t much reason not to do it.

Glad to be done… until the next SACD arrives.

I haven’t been successful in ripping Communique either, and I believe the reason is there is an accent on the “e” in the title, and for some reason the ripping process can’t handle it. Not sure what the issue with others may be (I haven’t tried those).

 

[SACD_ripper]

I used a Sony 6700 with a thumb drive (not networked.)

This is the reason that Communiqué failed, or for that matter any other disc that has a "special" non-English character present in the metadata, which AutoRip will always refuse.
Use the network server method on any such disc, it will rip that way.

I haven’t been successful in ripping Communique either, and I believe the reason is there is an accent on the “e” in the title, and for some reason the ripping process can’t handle it. Not sure what the issue with others may be (I haven’t tried those).

That is the reason as stated above, although only AutoRip will fail there, the network server method will work unless you have an extremely old version of the sacd_extract file. Use EuFlo's enhanced version (latest is -107).

I used a Sony 6700 with a thumb drive (not networked.)

This is another reason you can end up with a bad ISO, both the S6500 and S6700 have an auto-turn off timer that you can't defeat in the Settings menu. This means after a certain number of minutes of perceived inactivity, the player will simply shut down completely (not just sleep) and the rip will either be corrupted or truncated.
To circumvent that issue, wait around 10-12 minutes into the rip, and simply point the IR remote at the player and issue a meaningless and harmless command with the left or right arrow button. Doing so will not interfere with the rip, however that activity will reset the player's internal auto-shutdown timer and you'll then be able to let that rip run it's full course to completion. You can even hit the arrow button again in another few minutes if you want to just be sure on any very long run time disc that has both Stereo and Surround tracks and thus takes quite a long time to rip, sometimes 25-30 minutes total.

AutoRip will spit back out an SACD with a special non-English character in the title, eg. Communiqué, however if the special character does not appear in the disc's title but say in track #3, you'll get a truncated rip.
Just use the network server method for the titles that won't rip using the local (AutoRip) method, and be sure to have the updated sacd_extract file which will also ignore extra long file path names caused by extensive metadata (exceeding 255 characters) including Composer, Conductor, Orchestra, Work, Piece, featured soloist, etc... those extracts will bomb on Windows unless you have EuFlo's enhanced version dating to Summer 2021 (or later) of sacd_extract.

 

[Blackwood]

Thanks @mrcond and @SACD_ripper ... I’m glad I didn’t waste more time on that disc doing it my usual way. I’ll look into the network method.

Not too concerned about most of the others. I’ve got Charlie Brown and DSOTM ripped from their respective Bluray editions. The Satie’s don’t sound bad as FLAC or MP3 rips being just solo piano.

Nor does the Hedges with solo guitar, although it would be nice to have that backed up. I’ll have to revisit that via network, too.

But I’ll give myself a break from more ripping for just a bit. Short of just a few classical titles, I’ve managed to finally got my full music library ripped and backed up.

 

[twosheds]

I finally finished ripping all my SACDs.

Total SACDs: 149, but 6 would not rip despite multiple tries. Quite a number took multiple tries, but only 6 totally failed:

Dire Straits - Communique
Michael Hedges - Aerial Boundaries
Noriko Ogawa - Erik Satie Vol 1 & 2
Pink Floyd - DSOTM
Vince Guaraldi - Charlie Brown Christmas

All different publishers, and all SACDs that work, just would never rip properly. Might try again down the road.

I used a Sony 6700 with a thumb drive (not networked.)

I tested the ISOs with the free Pine Player on my Mac.

From there, just because, I used TraX to convert the ISOs to DSF. Got quite a number of errors/failures with that conversion. Don’t know how often I’ll listen to the DSFs rather than the ISOs, but I figured since I was in the ripping flow, there wasn’t much reason not to do it.

Glad to be done… until the next SACD arrives.

I had no issues with DSOTM (original issue). Don't have any of the others

 

[SACD_ripper]

I had no issues with DSOTM (original issue). Don't have any of the others

The recent Analogue Productions reissue is the exact same SACD audio as the original 2003 30th Anniversary Edition, only the Redbook layer is different from the 2003 release.
Either one will rip using the tried and true methods.

 

[PedroEB]

Loaded the latest version of the script, followed the revised steps and it's only just gone and bloody worked.
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Superb job, absolutely superb job.

This is my prefer this method. Can all recommended Sony players RIP this way, or just certain models?