The QuadraphonicQuad Craft Beer/Microbrew thread

[JediJoker]

Yes, up here in Vancouver it seems like IPAs are everywhere.
Many are quite good but
I wonder if some people drink them because they think they’re supposed to, whether or not they actually like them is secondary.

I have a friend who likes IPAs simply because they were some of the first "good" beers he had. I think brewers like them because they have longer shelf life than less-hopped ales and lagers—that's why they were first invented, after all, to survive a sea journey from Britain to India—and so the small producers started brewing them in greater varieties and quantities upon "rediscovering" them sometime in the '90s. As '80s and '90s babies grew up and started drinking beer, they'd be most likely to find an IPA as their first craft brew, and get used to the bitter style. This led to more sales, which led to more brewing, which birthed this IPA-dominated market in which we find ourselves. It's a self-perpetuating cycle, but it's bound to be broken at some point, right?

I'm in the minority among my friends (mid-20s to mid-30s) in disliking IPAs and other highly hopped, bitter brews. I'm just thankful I live in a place (Portland, OR) where I can usually find a local option on tap that suits my palate.

 

[Marplot]

IPA's don't really have a longer shelf life; especially when you consider the half life of alpha acids. Fully 1/3 degrade in the first year* so that hop bomb turns into a malt bomb pretty quickly.
That being said, your spot on about it being available and the first craft beer many sample.

It is hard to get my IPA drinking buddies to appreciate a Cuvée Des Jacobins Rouge or Duchesse De Bourgogne.

* Fundamentals of Beer and Hop Chemistry
The ratio of the isohumulones depends on the reaction conditions. In the wort medium it is normally 68:32 in favour of the cis-compounds. However, the cis-compounds are much more stable (half-life >> 5 years) than the trans-isomers (half-life of ca. 1 year) during the course of time. This affects, obviously, the cis:trans ratio and has significant consequences with respect to taste and flavour stability.
months cis- trans- total
0 68.00% 32.00% 100.00%
3 65.68% 26.91% 92.59%
6 63.45% 22.63% 86.07%
9 61.29% 19.03% 80.31%
12 59.20% 16.00% 75.20%
15 57.18% 13.45% 70.64%
18 55.23% 11.31% 66.55%
21 53.35% 9.51% 62.87%
24 51.53% 8.00% 59.53%
30 48.08% 5.66% 53.74%
36 44.86% 4.00% 48.86%
48 39.06% 2.00% 41.06%
60 34.00% 1.00% 35.00%

So, if you leave a beer for 1 year, it's IBUs will have decreased to 75% of its original value. For example, an 80 IBU beer will have 60 IBUs after 1 year.

 

[cbmmm3]

IPA's don't really have a longer shelf life; especially when you consider the half life of alpha acids. Fully 1/3 degrade in the first year* so that hop bomb turns into a malt bomb pretty quickly.
That being said, your spot on about it being available and the first craft beer many sample.

It is hard to get my IPA drinking buddies to appreciate a Cuvée Des Jacobins Rouge or Duchesse De Bourgogne.

* Fundamentals of Beer and Hop Chemistry
The ratio of the isohumulones depends on the reaction conditions. In the wort medium it is normally 68:32 in favour of the cis-compounds. However, the cis-compounds are much more stable (half-life >> 5 years) than the trans-isomers (half-life of ca. 1 year) during the course of time. This affects, obviously, the cis:trans ratio and has significant consequences with respect to taste and flavour stability.
months cis- trans- total
0 68.00% 32.00% 100.00%
3 65.68% 26.91% 92.59%
6 63.45% 22.63% 86.07%
9 61.29% 19.03% 80.31%
12 59.20% 16.00% 75.20%
15 57.18% 13.45% 70.64%
18 55.23% 11.31% 66.55%
21 53.35% 9.51% 62.87%
24 51.53% 8.00% 59.53%
30 48.08% 5.66% 53.74%
36 44.86% 4.00% 48.86%
48 39.06% 2.00% 41.06%
60 34.00% 1.00% 35.00%

So, if you leave a beer for 1 year, it's IBUs will have decreased to 75% of its original value. For example, an 80 IBU beer will have 60 IBUs after 1 year.

good data. Thanks. I AM an IPA guy and can emphatically tell you that a cellared or aged IPA is typically not very good ( at least in its intentions to
be hop-centric ). Most IPAs have about a 6 month shelf life - and even less when talking DIPA or TIPA. As Marplot points out, an aged IPA is most likely a malt bomb.

 

[splinter7]

I'm in the minority among my friends (mid-20s to mid-30s) in disliking IPAs and other highly hopped, bitter brews.

I knew I liked you for some reason.

 

[GOS]

I have grown very tired of straight IPA's. Over saturation...but I do have a fascination with Hazy IPA's....also likely heading for over saturation, but I'll take my chances.

 

[The Rang]

I have grown very tired of straight IPA's. Over saturation...but I do have a fascination with Hazy IPA's....also likely heading for over saturation, but I'll take my chances.

Me too on the Hazy IPA’s.
They go against everything I like, they’re IPA’s and citrusy, yet I find myself enjoying most of them.

 

[Strilo]

Pelican is good, but not great. If you want excellent beer on the Oregon Coast, it's all about Fort George in Astoria. That place is amazing and never failed to impress me. Last time I was there, they had so many beers I wanted to try that I had to do two sampler trays.

 

[The Rang]

Pelican is good, but not great. If you want excellent beer on the Oregon Coast, it's all about Fort George in Astoria. That place is amazing and never failed to impress me. Last time I was there, they had so many beers I wanted to try that I had to do two sampler trays.

Yah, same here with the samplers at Fort George. We visited that one last year too.
Awesome food as well, my wife still talks about the albacore tuna fish & chips.

 

[PK]

And here's my latest periodic check-in of recents....

Gravity Bound "Basket Case" blackberry & lemonade gose. Not his best one, needs a little more oomph to it.

Ex Novo "Pale Ale - Single Hop Series: Strata." Nice pale ale. Very smooth, the strata hops give a little "fruity" flavor.

Quarter Celtic Brewpub "Good's Conundrum" hazy IPA. This style is not their forte but he did pretty solid with this one

Gravity Bound "Crystal View" kolsch. Really good....light, refreshing, great on a warm day....excellent example of the style.

Gravity Bound "Canopy Calls" hazy DIPA. This guy does hazy so well, always top tier!

Beautiful glassware!

 

[Marplot]

Have a tasty Bruery Fat Tuesday chilling for Inter v AC in a few hours.

 

[cbmmm3]

hello Kalamazoo. Wax Wings Brewery--again. This is big bodied hazy triple IPA. Thicccarus. Delish. Ill go 8.5 on a 10

 

[PK]

 

[PK]

 

[cbmmm3]

hello Chicago. Hop Butcher --again. This one is Greener Moss a hazy triple IPA. 10.25 ABV. Lots of simcoe, nice taste but finishes too sweet for my taste. Ill go a generous 8 on a 10 scale

 

[cbmmm3]

who doesnt love a pizza puff ? Hop Butcher.
Nectaron, Citra, Vic Secret & Superdelic-hopped Double India Pale Ale

 

[splinter7]

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Love the can. Does it have a malt or toffee taste or is it just another IPA?

 

[PK]

Love the can. Does it have a malt or toffee taste or is it just another IPA?

Smooth and drinkable for a red...Just another IPA?? Only bought one so further research is required!

 

[ar surround]

who doesnt love a pizza puff ? Hop Butcher.
Nectaron, Citra, Vic Secret & Superdelic-hopped Double India Pale Ale

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I love the can too. Any QQ forum members have a nice collection of cans and bottles?

 

[cbmmm3]

I love the can too. Any QQ forum members have a nice collection of cans and bottles?

All I have is Cans and Brahms

 

[H.A.L.]

From a recent trip to Greece; first off, Athens, and a small place hidden among the Plaka residences with
lots of local & European beers. Preferred the Friday over the Jasmine, but, um, don't remember too
much that day