The Who - Who’s Next SDE series no. 30 (January 17th, 2025)

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I know they did use some kind of demixing for "The Song is Over", but that was with most of the instruments available as separate tracks. Taking apart a finished production might've been seen as too daunting at that point.
 
On the box set Blu-Ray, both the remixed stereo and 5.1 seem to have had some limiting applied (probably by Astley as you suggest) whereas the Atmos was untouched. Is the 5.1 audio any different on the standalone?
I've just had a look, the 5.1 is different too! The limiting is applied as it was in the box set except on My Wife! I'll have to do a proper side-by-side mix comparison, but it could potentially mean a tweaked mix for My Wife only!

Further, the 5.1 mixes of Baba O'Reilly through to the "new" My Wife have all been normalised to 0dB, whilst the remainder of the material has been normalised to -6dB to match the Atmos levels, making for a very uneven listen at the halfway point.

The bonus tracks appear the same on both discs.
 
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Agreed. This was a very unfortunate decision.
I also agree. Many AI stem separation programs can now provide much better surround results than Penteo IMO. I think the 5.1 surround mix I did in 2023 of "Bargain" has better surround than this new version IMO.
Agreed. This was a very unfortunate decision.
I agree also about "Bargain". There are several AI stem separation programs that will give better results now than Penteo can provide IMO. Penteo is a fast way to get surround but not the best way anymore.

The "Mal" system used for the Beatles de-mixing is just an AI system trained mainly with the Beatles voices & instruments so it will give possibly only slightly better results than the outstanding latest "BS Roformer" AI vocal separation program IMO.

Rog
 
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Further, the 5.1 mixes of Baba O'Reilly through to the "new" My Wife have all been normalised to 0dB, whilst the remainder of the material has been normalised to -6dB to match the Atmos levels, making for a very uneven listen at the halfway point.
I received my disc on the 15th and pulled the stereo tracks with Audiomuxer and noticed the -6dB normalization. It made me wonder if I'd missed something. I haven't checked any of the multi channel material.
 
Wait are we saying that the Blu-Ray in the $300 set is different than the standalone Blu-Ray? The content as well as the surround mixes?
As far as I can tell (mine is out for delivery, so not in my hands, nor do I have the box) its about 80% the same as the disc included in the $300 set with the new inclusion of instrumental stereo versions of every track except Bargain, and mastering on the 5.1 mix only is different for a handful of tracks. Otherwise the same
 
After splitting out the Center and Rear channels on SW's Penteo (or whatever it is) up-mix, I wasn't too impressed. If you listen to the rears isolated they sound fairly muddied-up to me; seems he could have done better given he has access to real source material. The center sounds like quite a bit of what's in the Fronts mixed together, more like what a typical 5.1 Penteo mix sounds like, to me anyway. Maybe he just didn't want to spend the time (or they the money) for him to dig deeper into the up-mix; however doesn't appear too many here even notice such things, also, as taken as a whole, it doesn't sound that bad. I'd love to hear Wilson's thoughts and work flow on that up-mix! Wouldn't mind others here to check this out and report back on their findings.
Listening to isolated channels isn't a great way to evaluate. You don't hear them that way in a mix, there are psychoacoustics involved. Stuff that sounds bad in isolation can be innocuous within the full surround mix.
 
Listening to isolated channels isn't a great way to evaluate. You don't hear them that way in a mix, there are psychoacoustics involved. Stuff that sounds bad in isolation can be innocuous within the full surround mix.
that's true, the mix hides much of that psychoacousticly (is that even a word :unsure:); that's why I said "taken as a whole, it doesn't sound that bad"
 
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