Gregory Porter
https://tidal.com/album/152613021
https://tidal.com/album/152613021
Well done. I'm sure a similar conversation was held at some point, perhaps even when the concert venue was being mic'd.
One of my favorite classical recordings was mic'd both in the middle of the orchestra and in the audience. https://www.aixrecords.com/product/stravinsky-firebird-suite-1919-ravel-bolero-cristian-mandeal-conductor-george-enescu-phil-orch/ The middle of the orchestra recording is the DTS track and the audience recording is MLP/DD.
It would be great if this approach could be embraced. If a classical album has both a 5.1 mix and an Atmos mix, maybe one could be the middle of the orchestra and the other could be audience?
@bracelis reports on another thread that Fantastic Negrito's Have You Lost Your Mind Yet? was added today (two weeks to the day after the 2.0 release).
My sub renews on the 31st, and I was all set to cancel. This may get me to stick around for another month...
https://listen.tidal.com/album/153238290
Gregory Porter
https://tidal.com/album/152613021
Still trying to work around the -20dB problem.
Option #2: I, erm, normally hate volume normalization, but has anyone tried applying that setting in TIDAL? If so, are you satisfied with the results--and does it address even the vast disparity between Atmos and non-Atmos volumes?
It would be great if this approach could be embraced. If a classical album has both a 5.1 mix and an Atmos mix, maybe one could be the middle of the orchestra and the other could be audience?
The Firestick streams the original Dolby Digital plus with Atmos signal to the AVR/processeor -- any loudness normalization (if it's even possible) would have to be done by the receiver, and not by the Firestick device or Tidal app.
On the desktop, if you play the Atmos track, Tidal actually streams a different source (example FLAC) which does not have the low volume issue.
I have a perfectly valid reason/excuse because of the low volume which can damage your speakers (or your ears) when you turn up the volume and listen to another song.
Even if there was a Loudness Normalization feature on the Firestick/app, it still would not apply to the Atmos tracks for the same reason that I mentioned (i.e, the Firestick does not do any decoding and it sends the original Dolby bitstream and the AVR does the decoding/processing).Interesting. So the "Loudness Normalization" feature in the Tidal settings only applies to the desktop (and presumably the phone) app, then.
Even worse when it's not you, but Tidal, that chooses to play another song. I'd be happy for the time being if I could just succeed in turning off "Autoplay." But if I change that setting when I'm logged into my account on the desktop app, it doesn't seem to carry over to other devices (like Firestick).
On the Marantz/Denon receiver, with Dolby Digital or Dolby Digital+ signals (with or without Atmos), it displays the loudness "Offset".The Firestick streams the original Dolby Digital plus with Atmos signal to the AVR/processeor -- any loudness normalization (if it's even possible) would have to be done by the receiver, and not by the Firestick device or Tidal app.
With this metadata/info, the AVR can potentially adjust the volume automatically.
It's all due to Dolby's dialogue normalization and dynamic range control. Basically the reason Atmos music (and any Dolby programming) has a much lower overall volume is because the metadata is telling the AVR to reduce the volume by [+/-] (x)db. Dialogue normalization is designed to ensure that the overall volume doesn't overwhelm or clip a system based on average db level of speech or dialogue. Since Atmos can be listened to on all sorts of devices, from echo studio to headphones to tv's with built in speakers, to sound bars to bookshelf speakers to full range towers, etc., etc., Dolby's algorithm is designed to be compatible across everything without clipping or blowing out the speakers.
"Dialogue Normalization, in simple terms, is exactly the same as turning the volume
down a bit on a consumers home stereo. However, simply adjusting the volume on a
home stereo provides none of the other advantages of dialnorm: providing a reference
for reduced dynamic range listening conditions, accurate and musical dynamic range
compression, and clipping protection prior to the D/A circuitry." Standards and Practices
for Authoring Dolby® Digital and Dolby E Bitstreams
IMO, in the case of Tidal the dialnorm seems excessive at -15 to -20 db
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