Yes - Close to the Edge 5.1 DVD-A/BluRay in October

[Which_One_Is_Pink]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS! "Fragile" was my 1st new format DVD-Audio disc I bought around 2002 (had a Panasonic DVD player with DVD-Audio before I fully new what that was)
closely followed by "Brain Salad Surgery" took me until 2008 and a Oppo/Onkyo upgrade before I was able to hear them in their full Hi-Rez 5.1 glory! (only had a early Kenwood AVR with
Dolby-Pro...still sounded pretty good but MUCH better with the Oppo/Onkyo full arsenal of sound choices). Thus started my scramble for everything 5.1 Audio I could get my grubby little hands on.
Now, 11 years later still an ongoing project and picking up steam..."Close to the Edge" beyond and over the edge...BRING IT ON!

PS: New member, 1st time post, Looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time lurker.

Now playing: Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers - MOJO (Blu-ray)

 

[Quad Linda]

Welcome to QQ, you 'Bama lurker.

 

[Which_One_Is_Pink]

Thanks Quad or may I call you Linda : )? I have learned and gained alot from this site over the years and it feels like home. By the way spent some time in the burbs of Chitown back around the mid 70's early 80's and really missed the music scene when I left, seemed like there was a major concert or club act every night of the week. If I remember correctly Joe Walsh The Michael Stanley band @ the Aragon Brawl Room was my concert....Good times!

 

[DuncanS]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS! "Fragile" was my 1st new format DVD-Audio disc I bought around 2002 (had a Panasonic DVD player with DVD-Audio before I fully new what that was)
closely followed by "Brain Salad Surgery" took me until 2008 and a Oppo/Onkyo upgrade before I was able to hear them in their full Hi-Rez 5.1 glory! (only had a early Kenwood AVR with
Dolby-Pro...still sounded pretty good but MUCH better with the Oppo/Onkyo full arsenal of sound choices). Thus started my scramble for everything 5.1 Audio I could get my grubby little hands on.
Now, 11 years later still an ongoing project and picking up steam..."Close to the Edge" beyond and over the edge...BRING IT ON!

PS: New member, 1st time post, Looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time lurker.

Now playing: Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers - MOJO (Blu-ray)

Welcome to the forum. One of my 1st 5.1 discs was "Fragile" in 2002 as well, BSS followed, hunted down as much Prog as I could, then broadened my purchases. I really wanted all the Steely Dan, but not to be! Wish there were more Tom Petty, Mojo is great IMHO.

 

[ssully]

Done right is the key phrase when it comes to SACD.

They can be pretty good when the team knows how to handle DSD. The SACD releases by other teams are challenging to even sit through.

This is amusing. So , all this time, and after hundreds if not thousands of SACD releases, it's only been a *very small subset* of them actually sound good? And the rest are almost *intolerable* to listen to?

Wow. You'd really never know that, reading audiophile mags and online forums. And I've been doing both for years.

 

[kap'n krunch]

I can remember reading in the notes from "The Great Deceiver" that JW's Cerwin Vega was so loud it overpowered everyone onstage and had to be mixed in a strange way....

 

[HomerJAU]

Well I may buy both the DVDA and Blu-ray sets just to show my support this 5.1 release! Thanks to all involved! (And I only bought the SACD a couple weeks ago...)

 

[fredblue]

Well I may buy both the DVDA and Blu-ray sets just to show my support this 5.1 release! Thanks to all involved! (And I only bought the SACD a couple weeks ago...)

Yeay!! That's the spirit! I shall be doing the same as you!

 

[timbre4]

This is amusing. So , all this time, and after hundreds if not thousands of SACD releases, it's only been a *very small subset* of them actually sound good? And the rest are almost *intolerable* to listen to?

Wow. You'd really never know that, reading audiophile mags and online forums. And I've been doing both for years.

That's not what I said; there was no mention or quantification or ratio of bad to good. I was commenting on titles I own. I started reading Audio magazine in 1971 and Stereo Review & High Fidelity a year later if that matters, doesn't change the actual listening experience one iota.

I want to love these recordings (bulk of Genesis catalog), but they can be harsh in the top end. Compare the same mix to the DTS DVDs; you can turn that up no problem. I didn't just decide that I wasn't going to like them! There are no DVD-A counterparts and I'm not saying there are no bad DVD-As, of course there are. But I can say that I cannot recall a single DVD-A exhibiting that same troubling problem. Case in point: John Hiatt - Bring The Family SACD sounds fine, Master Of Disaster SACD doesn't sound like the John Hiatt we know. Oh it's supposed to sound like that. He never sounded that harsh. (different teams)

Going back on topic. I celebrate the fact that we will get Yes albums in real surround with the care and consideration that has delivered King Crimson and other favorites. I'll probably buy both too!

 

[leahypc]

With all due respect to cupboy, to make that kind of a statement about DTS is really not fair, or accurate, for that matter. It is still "a high resolution format". Just not the advanced resolution that most would want, as in DVD-A or Blu-ray. I can definitely relate though, to the frustration of finding out that a surround title that you've been waiting a long time for doesn't get the full high-res treatment that it deserves. There are lots of good DTS releases out there, particularly when Elliot Scheiner or Steven Wilson have done the mixes (Opeth's "Heritage", Eagles "Hell Freezes Over", Derek and The Dominos "Layla...", to name a few). Now, when Steven Wilson's remix of Caravan's "In the Land of Grey and Pink" came out with Dolby only, that really pissed me off. Dolby's great for movies, but in my opinion it's a disgrace to use it for audio-only releases.

 

[rtbluray]

With all due respect to cupboy, to make that kind of a statement about DTS is really not fair, or accurate, for that matter. It is still "a high resolution format". Just not the advanced resolution that most would want, as in DVD-A or Blu-ray. I can definitely relate though, to the frustration of finding out that a surround title that you've been waiting a long time for doesn't get the full high-res treatment that it deserves. There are lots of good DTS releases out there, particularly when Elliot Scheiner or Steven Wilson have done the mixes (Opeth's "Heritage, Eagles "Hell Freezes Over", Derek and The Dominos "Layla...", to name a few. Now, when Steven Wilson's remix of Caravan's "In the Land of Grey and Pink" came out with Dolby only, that really pissed me off. Dolby's great for movies, but in my opinion it's a disgrace to use it for audio-only releases.

Yeah the Caravan release by Universal was atrocious.
They kept the original stereo mix for CD, and yet Steven's mixes (stereo & surround) were only on the DVD in Dullby.
I hope that NEVER happens again for an SW mix.
While "Thick as a Brick" was not the full monty it could've been (release-wise, not mix-wise), at least the altered DVD has the surround mix in a flat transfer, and the stereo mixes are high-res.
Nice packaging for that release too!

 

[cupboy]

So then what was the problem with Thick As A Brick?

I would guess that flat transfer of the surround mix was Dolby Digital?

I thought I read somewhere that Peter Mew had performed his "magic" on this release.

 

[fredblue]

So then what was the problem with Thick As A Brick?

I would guess that flat transfer of the surround mix was Dolby Digital?

I thought I read somewhere that Peter Mew had performed his "magic" on this release.

DVD glitches/authoring balls ups and yes some dodgy "Mewtilations" in the mastering of the SW mixes were the main problems, afaik. the flat transfer was alright - some here & elsewhere raved about the TAAB flat t/fer.

 

[fredblue]

DVD glitches/authoring balls ups and yes some dodgy "Mewtilations" in the mastering of the SW mixes were the main problems, afaik. the flat transfer was alright - some here & elsewhere raved about the TAAB flat t/fer.

meant to add the flat t/fer was 96/24 DTS.

 

[leahypc]

Just saw this article from the latest Prog magazine e-mail via the link below...



http://www.progrockmag.com/news/wilson-waves-his-wand-over-more-crimson-yes-and-xtc/

 

[rtbluray]

Ok, talk about seriously milking the cow to death by the record companies!
NOW, there's supposedly a Yes SACD box set being released in Japan in September. (http://www.amazon.co.jp/YES-HIGH-VI...ic&ie=UTF8&qid=1372692982&sr=1-1&keywords=yes)
Now I'm sure it's stereo only (and single-layer for that matter), so it's of no interest to us, especially when we have these Panegyric reissues coming up very soon, but it is definitely silly how far the record companies will go in releasing the same album again and again and again...

 

[ssully]

Yeah the Caravan release by Universal was atrocious.
They kept the original stereo mix for CD, and yet Steven's mixes (stereo & surround) were only on the DVD in Dullby.

...and it sounds great. That's because the music and the mix are very good, and the perceptual code is good enough that it really doesn't a positive or negative impact. ... as I suspect you would find, if you were able to fairly evaluate its contribution without 'audiophile' prejudice.

 

[rtbluray]

...and it sounds great. That's because the music and the mix are very good, and the perceptual code is good enough that it really doesn't a positive or negative impact. ... as I suspect you would find, if you were able to fairly evaluate its contribution without 'audiophile' prejudice.

Yes, I agree that the mix is a very good one, but that's why Universal's handling of the release is unforgivable by me as they went the cheap & easy route and released this mix on DVD-V with Dullby only. Plenty of space to make it a true DVD-A/V, yet they didn't give a crap about making it a quality release and doing Steven's mix justice. Heck it would've at least been better if they released Steven's stereo mix on CD and/or had a DTS option on the DVD, as even that would've been better than the released DVD's audio quality.
Just like Neil Wilkes has said many times before, Dolby has no place being on an audio-only DVD release.

 

[ssully]

You start from the premise that a release in AC3 format can't possibly be a 'quality release', sound-wise. I don't share that prejudice.

 

[cupboy]

Ok, talk about seriously milking the cow to death by the record companies!
NOW, there's supposedly a Yes SACD box set being released in Japan in September. (http://www.amazon.co.jp/YES-HIGH-VI...ic&ie=UTF8&qid=1372692982&sr=1-1&keywords=yes)
Now I'm sure it's stereo only (and single-layer for that matter), so it's of no interest to us, especially when we have these Panegyric reissues coming up very soon, but it is definitely silly how far the record companies will go in releasing the same album again and again and again...

I wonder what label that's on. Kind of hard to read that listing and it's not on any other sites yet that I could find.

If it's on Warners Japan I would assume Fragile and Magnification would be 5.1.