Beatles Revolver Box Set (Dolby Atmos Mix available for streaming; No Blu-Ray)

[ar surround]

[Deleted post] confused avatars…or whatever.

 

[SHB]

What a shame. I imagine Rubber Soul will be issued the same way next year without a multi channel mix.
Thanks Pete for including a multi channel mix in Who's Next. The money I saved from this debacle can be put towards purchasing Who's Next.

 

[humprof]

It wouldn't be quite so infuriating if they hadn't done so much teasing: Giles musing out loud about whether the demixing technology is or isn't ready for prime time; Giles on the psychedelic possibilities of a track like "Tomorrow Never Knows," on how "it's all going to be a bit immersive" and how "John Lennon would love to have the tape loops flying around his head [in spatial audio]"; Giles in front of the Atmos mixing screen, etc.

All that, just to prepare us for an Apple Music exclusive?

 

[GOS]

This fucking blows. Just to be honest.

 

[4-earredwonder]

This fucking blows. Just to be honest.

YEP, the FAB FOUR ..... in STEREO....AGAIN!

 

[ar surround]

I’m wondering if they had real problems dealing with the Lennon double-tracked vocals…And Your Bird Can Sing, She Said She Said, I’m Only Sleeping. These tracks really drive decoders such as the Tate II bananas, so perhaps the separation technology had the equivalent of an AI brain fart?

 

[4-earredwonder]

I’m wondering if they had real problems dealing with the Lennon double-tracked vocals…And Your Bird Can Sing, She Said She Said, I’m Only Sleeping. These tracks really drive decoders such as the Tate II bananas, so perhaps the separation technology had the equivalent of an AI brain fart?

If Giles and Company premiered it for a wide audience in ATMOS ....I guess NOT! They must've been confident enough about the remix to go public!

IMO, inside the new box set they should offer a voucher for a future ATMOS BD~A to be included ...when available!

They're sure charging enough for just 4 RBCDs...in remastered stereo...for the upteenth time!

 

[SHB]

You know, I never realized until now how prophetic Paul was with the song, For No One.

 

[key_wiz]

VERY disappointing.

 

[humprof]

VERY disappointing.

"That kind of thing isn't up to me"? Generally speaking, I get it. We've all seen cases where mixers have been overruled by artists and labels, their work has been left on the shelf, etc., etc. But surely Giles Martin has more pull than your average punter? The record company would listen to him if he insisted, you'd think. And I can't imagine why Paul, Ringo, Yoko, or Olivia would object.

 

[key_wiz]

"That kind of thing isn't up to me"? Generally speaking, I get it. We've all seen cases where mixers have been overruled by artists and labels, their work has been left on the shelf, etc., etc. But surely Giles Martin has more pull than your average punter? The record company would listen to him if he insisted, you'd think. And I can't imagine why Paul, Ringo, Yoko, or Olivia would object.

I'll take him at his word that whatever pull he does have wasn't enough in this case. Or maybe he wasn't asked about it/didn't realize it wasn't happening until it was too late to change the decision? Who knows exactly how such things go down.

Seems odd they'd not include it if the mix was already done. I can only think of two reasons:

1) as some have suggested, they are holding it back as a streaming-only option to help boost Atmos streaming awareness/popularity.

2) him doing the mix wasn't necessarily asked for by the label but he did it anyway seeing as he was already remixing it for stereo and thought it probably would be wanted, but the label decided (based on whatever metric they use) that including it doesn't increase sales enough to warrant its inclusion.

In any case. I don't think I'll be buying this one out of protest. I'll source the outtakes via streaming or whatever. At some point I'll try to pick up a used copy to satisfy my collector's jones, but I likely won't be putting any money in Apple/Universal's coffers directly.

 

[sjcorne]

I'm kind of surprised he took the time to reply to that tweet (could it be a subtle way of telling the fanbase that he tried to make it happen and was overruled?). It'll be interesting to see if future Lennon and/or Harrison boxes follow the same BD-less model.

 

[key_wiz]

I'm kind of surprised he took the time to reply to that tweet (could it be a subtle way of telling the fanbase that he tried to make it happen and was overruled?). It'll be interesting to see if future Lennon and/or Harrison boxes follow the same BD-less model.

He doesn't tweet a lot.

after those two tweets of his I posted from last week, he posted nothing at all on the topic even though a lot of people were asking him various questions. He responded to this one fairly quickly, so my guess is he's disappointed by the decision as well.

I imagine he would want his work heard by as many people as possible.

 

[rtbluray]

VERY disappointing.

Well, Giles does have a point in that it is not up to him.
He might be just as disappointed as we are about the lack of a Blu-Ray.
After all, like most producers and engineers, I think he does want his work to be heard in the best possible quality.

So who is to blame for how this turned out?
Paul and Ringo? I don't think so. Their greatest sin is one of apathy, but I don't think they specifically said they didn't want a Blu-Ray included this time.
So is Apple Records to blame? Again, I don't think so. The last 4 box sets (for "Sgt Pepper", the White Album, "Abbey Road", and "Let it Be") have shown that they can put together some really high quality box sets, and like Paul and Ringo, I don't think they specifically said they didn't want a Blu-Ray included this time. What would they have to gain by not including one?
So who does that leave? To me, the answer is very clear. This is probably a Universal Music decision.
Someone at these Dolby Atmos streaming services (probably Apple Music primarily) must be pressuring these major labels to not only create Dolby Atmos mixes but specifically to release them only on their streaming services.
Why? Because fans not only have to pay a subscription to hear these mixes, but also they have to purchase special equipment for such streaming too, whether it's an Apple TV or even better, one of those stupid little amazon speakers.

So yeah, I think that's what it is. The major labels and streaming services working together to line each other's pockets.
Pretty typical if you ask me...

 

[key_wiz]

Well, Giles does have a point in that it is not up to him.
He might be just as disappointed as we are about the lack of a Blu-Ray.
After all, like most producers and engineers, I think he does want his work to be heard in the best possible quality.

So who is to blame for how this turned out?
Paul and Ringo? I don't think so. Their greatest sin is one of apathy, but I don't think they specifically said they didn't want a Blu-Ray included this time.
So is Apple Records to blame? Again, I don't think so. The last 4 box sets (for "Sgt Pepper", the White Album, "Abbey Road", and "Let it Be") have shown that they can put together some really high quality box sets, and like Paul and Ringo, I don't think they specifically said they didn't want a Blu-Ray included this time. What would they have to gain by not including one?
So who does that leave? To me, the answer is very clear. This is probably a Universal Music decision.
Someone at these Dolby Atmos streaming services (probably Apple Music primarily) must be pressuring these major labels to not only create Dolby Atmos mixes but specifically to release them only on their streaming services.
Why? Because fans not only have to pay a subscription to hear these mixes, but also they have to purchase special equipment for such streaming too, whether it's an Apple TV or even better, one of those stupid little amazon speakers.

So yeah, I think that's what it is. The major labels and streaming services working together to line each other's pockets.
Pretty typical if you ask me...

As disappointed as I am by the decision, IF it becomes a streaming-only item, I can understand it from a business-model perspective.

And I guess this shouldn't be too much of a surprise after the recent streaming-only releases of the McCartney Atmos mixes.

I don't think the label is wrong to believe the future for music delivery, including Atmos, is streaming. And high-profile releases are always a way to try and boost awareness/subscriptions etc. At this point I'm hoping to just hear it at ALL. (If they don't even release it for streaming them it will be a HUGE disappointment.) And maybe hope they will release it on physical media at some point in the future.

Or a downloadable version becomes available in some form or another.

 

[J. PUPSTER]

I am so disgusted about this!

I feel like we've been teased and then stabbed in the back.

Cherish every Hi-Res surround disc you get from here forward, because it seems The Great Shift to Streaming is now upon us.

Really nothing more I can say, except

Thanks UMG
This is some Bullshit

 

[key_wiz]

I am so disgusted about this!

I feel like we've been teased and then stabbed in the back.

Cherish every Hi-Res surround disc you get from here forward, because it seems The Great Shift to Streaming is now upon us.

Really nothing more I can say, except

Thanks UMG
This is some Bullshit

To be fair, the Great Shift to Streaming began several years ago.

It seems recent for surround music because including Atmos mixes as part of streaming services is relatively recent, but I'm not sure we can accurately call it a 'shift' as, except for a handful of titles, surround mixes barely existed as it was. The good news is, of course, is that the Atmos streaming has resulted in exponentially more surround releases than we ever would have had otherwise. But a 'shift to'? More like it started from neutral.

 

[LennonCobain]

I am very disappointed that a Blu-ray won’t be included in the Revolver box. I likely won’t be purchasing the box until a year or so after when the price really drops.

However, a streaming Atmos mix does allow Giles and company to update / revisit the mix as technology improves. So while the Sgt. Pepper box set had a 5.1 mix on Blu-ray and DVD, I feel that the current streaming Atmos mix (even if played as 5.1) is better (and is my “go to” version).

 

[jefe1]

I guess the Maharishi said no.

Well my money will continue to go to DV and things like the upcoming Who's Next until the majors shut the door on all surround product and force us to become renters for inferior streaming versions...

 

[Rickenbacker]

The absence of a 5.1 mix means I'll definitely be passing on this.
Those discs were always the main incentive to get these sets, along with the out-takes.

I guess I should be thanking them for saving me some money.