Beatles Revolver Box Set (Dolby Atmos Mix available for streaming; No Blu-Ray)

[key_wiz]

Yeah, leave ALL remixing chores to the PROS: E. Scheiner, B. Clearmountain and S. Wilson or those majestic QUAD gurus from the early to mid 70's like Larry Keyes, et alia!

As Mr. Keyes left us in 2007, I think it might be difficult to leave any remixing chores to him.

 

[J. PUPSTER]

As Mr. Keyes left us in 2007, I think it might be difficult to leave any remixing chores to him.

and isn't E. Scheiner basically retired, or is he still dabbling in it?
Maybe the Atmos stuff will pull him back in- Aja please

 

[sjcorne]

Yeah, leave ALL remixing chores to the PROS: E. Scheiner, B. Clearmountain and S. Wilson or those majestic QUAD gurus from the early to mid 70's like Larry Keyes, et alia!

Giles Martin & Sam Okell aren't pros?

Those guys are all great, but there are far more than three producers/engineers capable of making a great multichannel mix in 2022. How about Bruce Soord? Alan Parsons? Or Ryan Ulyate, for his fantastic work on Tom Petty's Wildflowers and Angel Dream albums in Atmos? Maybe Stephen Lipson, for the recent xPropaganda release? Greg Penny, for his work on Elton John's back catalog in 5.1 & Atmos? Mills Logan certainly deserves props for his work on hundreds of UMe back-catalog Atmos releases. Not to mention the folks whose names we don't even know: I'd love to find out who did the incredible Atmos mixes of Tori Amos' Ocean To Ocean and Lake Street Dive's Obviously, just to name two great uncredited streaming-only titles.

 

[tlake6659]

Revolver is probably my favorite Beatles album so I am happy about the upcoming reissue and the fact that a multichannel/Atmos mix will likely be available in some fashion.

However, is anyone really expecting to be thrilled with the surround sound mix and for it to be more discrete than the Revolver-era tracks available on the 1 streaming Atmos mix?

Take “Yellow Submarine” for example. There are 5 (IIRC) official multichannel mixes of this track (Yellow Submarine 1999 DVD, Anthology DVD, Yellow Submarine BD, 1/1+ DVD/BD, and 1 Atmos). I still prefer the 1999 DVD mix as it is quite discrete. “Eleanor Rigby” from the 1999 DVD is still the top mix IMO.

The original multitracks are sufficient to make a very good multichannel mix, as demonstrated over 20 years ago. The use of modern technology to de-mix the multitracks should result in a superior mix in terms of discreteness. I just don’t think Giles and Sam will deliver.

The Yellow Sub DVD has a different surround mix than the Yellow Sub Blu-ray?

 

[Clement]

Giles Martin & Sam Okell aren't pros?

Those guys are all great, but there are far more than three producers/engineers capable of making a great multichannel mix in 2022. How about Bruce Soord? Alan Parsons? Or Ryan Ulyate, for his fantastic work on Tom Petty's Wildflowers and Angel Dream albums in Atmos? Maybe Stephen Lipson, for the recent xPropaganda release? Greg Penny, for his work on Elton John's back catalog in 5.1 & Atmos? Mills Logan certain deserves props for his work on hundreds of UMe back-catalog Atmos releases. Not to mention the folks whose names we don't even know: I'd love to find out who did the incredible Atmos mixes of Tori Amos' Ocean To Ocean and Lake Street Dive's Obviously, just to name two great uncredited streaming-only titles.

Love all the producers/engineers/mixmasters you've listed. I would add @Stephen W Tayler who is fast becoming a favo(u)rite. Here is a link in which Adrian Hall notes how proud he is of mixing Ocean To Ocean:

https://www.songchecks.com/blog/adrian-hall

 

[LennonCobain]

The Yellow Sub DVD has a different surround mix than the Yellow Sub Blu-ray?

Not really; I was just thinking about the fact that the 1999 DVD has an isolated music track option which is not present on the 2012 BD or 2012 DVD.

 

[Scott65]

Physical or metaphysical - Tomorrow Never Knows

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Or even pataphysical (just ask Joan)...

 

[Imbobman]

And for $11.99 plus monthly special of free shipping.

I can see that selling out rather quickly... I think they better start planning for a 2nd pressing as we speak

 

[Imbobman]

Definitely an Atmos mix, the right-hand window shows the Dolby Renderer feeding a 7.1.4 speaker array.

Wow, you've got good eyes. I can't make out squat!

 

[haikubass]

I'd love to find out who did the incredible Atmos mixes of Tori Amos' Ocean To Ocean and Lake Street Dive's Obviously, just to name two great uncredited streaming-only titles.

Ocean to Ocean is credited to Adrian Hall on Tidal. Got no name for Obviously or the other two albums by LSD though.

 

[mikusguitarius]

The Abbey Road and Let It Be-era tracks were nothing special in 5.1 on the 2015 1/1+ Blu-Ray, but the 50th anniversary album remixes ended up being great. Maybe that compilation was a rush job, possibly involving upmixing? I haven't listened to the new streaming Atmos version of 1/1+, but the old 5.1 Blu-Ray certainly has that feel. In any case, it wouldn't be crazy to expect better results on the dedicated album remix.

I remember reading at the time that the early (pre 4-track?) songs were played back through PA speakers in Abbey Road studio 2 just to get the actual natural reverb of the place. This reverb was then recorded 100% wet for the surround mix (for the rears perhaps). Pretty cool.

 

[artwwweb]

Do you know the release date? And we know the price will be right!

I suspect it will be the same day as the release of the Atmos version of "The Beatles In Mono" boxset. (April 1st?)

 

[Belgiumliver]

Yeah, leave ALL remixing chores to the PROS: E. Scheiner, B. Clearmountain and S. Wilson or those majestic QUAD gurus from the early to mid 70's like Larry Keyes, et alia!

Bruce Soord is one of the best too, and the guys who did Yello, Kraftwerk and Booka Shade, add them to the list of greats. I just read an interview with Elliot Scheiner, it seems he is not interested in Atmos right now.

 

[Belgiumliver]

Giles Martin & Sam Okell aren't pros?

Those guys are all great, but there are far more than three producers/engineers capable of making a great multichannel mix in 2022. How about Bruce Soord? Alan Parsons? Or Ryan Ulyate, for his fantastic work on Tom Petty's Wildflowers and Angel Dream albums in Atmos? Maybe Stephen Lipson, for the recent xPropaganda release? Greg Penny, for his work on Elton John's back catalog in 5.1 & Atmos? Mills Logan certainly deserves props for his work on hundreds of UMe back-catalog Atmos releases. Not to mention the folks whose names we don't even know: I'd love to find out who did the incredible Atmos mixes of Tori Amos' Ocean To Ocean and Lake Street Dive's Obviously, just to name two great uncredited streaming-only titles.

I would like more Steve lipson Atmos mixes, I thought he did a great job on xPropaganda.

 

[Cassetto]

Not sure this has come up here, since there’s a lot of back and forth, but Revolver was recorded in 4 track with a lot of sub-mixing/bouncing to fit everything on to 4 tracks, isn’t that right? I am not an expert on Beatles productions, but I seem to recall that the move to syncing two 4 track units to expand to 8 track began with Sgt Pepper. So any 5.1, Atmos, etc would be electronically enhanced/upmixed, rather that pulled from an abundance of multi-tracks.

 

[ar surround]

Not sure this has come up here, since there’s a lot of back and forth, but Revolver was recorded in 4 track with a lot of sub-mixing/bouncing to fit everything on to 4 tracks, isn’t that right? I am not an expert on Beatles productions, but I seem to recall that the move to syncing two 4 track units to expand to 8 track began with Sgt Pepper. So any 5.1, Atmos, etc would be electronically enhanced/upmixed, rather that pulled from an abundance of multi-tracks.

They must have the pre bounce tapes in the vault of at least some of the tracks. Yellow Submarine on the 1999 DVD is very discrete despite not having today's separation technology. Then there is the mash up of Eleanor Rigby on the Love album.

 

[zobalob]

According to one of the 'insiders' who posts on the Hoffman forum, Peter Jackson's crew's demixing AI technology, 'MAL' was used.

My fear is that there are no plans to include a Blu-ray in the box, with the surround mix presented as Atmos on streaming services exclusively. If that's the case they can stuff it as far as I'm concerned, no purchase of the box and I certainly have no intention of subscribing to any of the streaming platforms.

 

[Belgiumliver]

Not sure this has come up here, since there’s a lot of back and forth, but Revolver was recorded in 4 track with a lot of sub-mixing/bouncing to fit everything on to 4 tracks, isn’t that right? I am not an expert on Beatles productions, but I seem to recall that the move to syncing two 4 track units to expand to 8 track began with Sgt Pepper. So any 5.1, Atmos, etc would be electronically enhanced/upmixed, rather that pulled from an abundance of multi-tracks.

5.1 is actually very easy. The guitar tracks are seperate so they could go in rears.

 

[ar surround]

According to one of the 'insiders' who posts on the Hoffman forum, Peter Jackson's crew's demixing AI technology, 'MAL' was used.

My fear is that there are no plans to include a Blu-ray in the box, with the surround mix presented as Atmos on streaming services exclusively. If that's the case they can stuff it as far as I'm concerned, no purchase of the box and I certainly have no intention of subscribing to any of the streaming platforms.

It seems that eventually the streaming option on more and more occasions will be our only choice.

Another option is to use AI separation tech and make one's own MC mix. I recently made my own 5.1 of Drive My Car using free on-line demixing services and tearing it down in Audacity. I like what came out and I might even do better if I want to pay for a more sophisticated demixing service like LALLAL.AI. By making one's own product, there would be no excuse to complain about the mixing choices.

 

[J. PUPSTER]

I’m nobody’s insider from anywhere, but I thought they might be using Abbey Road’s own de-mix software.
And I don’t remember seeing before, at the bottom of this web page, the info about ‘Recent Projects’ for that de-mixing being Pepper’s 50th?

https://www.abbeyroad.com/de-mix